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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #504 on: July 15, 2021, 06:26:59 PM »
Anyone thinking the G5 might get overlooked is acting like the P5 team playing them isn't as excited and 'up' to be in the playoff.  It's going to be a strong P5 team that has the ultimate prize there for the taking. 
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It's not some aloof team looking ahead.  They're not going to have their best players sitting out.  Their season wouldn't have been a disappointment.  These (still) rare good showings by G5 teams in previous year's bowls are a different animal. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #505 on: July 15, 2021, 07:12:44 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 15, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Anyone thinking the G5 might get overlooked is acting like the P5 team playing them isn't as excited and 'up' to be in the playoff.  It's going to be a strong P5 team that has the ultimate prize there for the taking. 
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It's not some aloof team looking ahead.  They're not going to have their best players sitting out.  Their season wouldn't have been a disappointment.  These (still) rare good showings by G5 teams in previous year's bowls are a different animal. 
I just think you are wildly overrating P5 teams. Iowa State was a top ten team last year and lost to Louisiana. Certainly, the G5 team will take some lumps some years. But the idea that they can't win a game seems awfully silly based on every single metric you wish to use. It is ignoring all the results we actually see in favor of imagination. You are telling me Cincinnati couldn't have beaten Indiana last year? Like, it's impossible? Really?
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #506 on: July 15, 2021, 07:36:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 15, 2021, 01:01:48 PM
I think this will eventually happen.

Good. We can just let nature take its course and dispense with the caterwauling about what we imagine some players' feelings to be. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #507 on: July 15, 2021, 08:59:17 PM »
I guess 20 year olds are just machines  that give consistent attention and effort to everything they do.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #508 on: July 15, 2021, 09:26:04 PM »
I think September examples are cute.
Indiana vs Cincinnati?  Where did that come from?  You're taking this best this vs this worst that.  Would IU have made the playoff last year?
I think we need to focus on "can" vs "will".   Sure, Cincinnati "can" win a fictional 12-team playoff game.  But "will" it?  What did the bracket look like for 2020?
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8 Cincinnati vs 9 Georgia.............winner gets 1 Bama
5 Notre Dame vs 12 Coastal Carolina........winner gets 4 Oklahoma
6 Texas A&M vs 11 Indiana................winner gets 3 Ohio St
7 Florida vs 10 Iowa St..................winner gets 2 Clemson
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The only way a G5 is going to win a game here is if they're ranked 5th or 6th.  Cincy's been kind when mentioning how Cinci gave UGA a good game in real life, but UGA had 5 players opt out.  A peak Cinci team lost to a 2-loss Georgia.  
What would the score have been with a full roster for the Dawgs and the NC still up for grabs?  I know, I know, it wouldn't make any difference.
Let's say Cincinnati wins.  Alabama gets a perceived layup in the quarterfinals.  Right or wrong, OU would be sitting there pissed and/or jealous of that situation.  I wonder why?
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #509 on: July 15, 2021, 09:35:41 PM »

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What would the score have been with a full roster for the Dawgs and the NC still up for grabs?  I know, I know, it wouldn't make any difference.
But that's the problem. Georgia is a top five team via talent every year. They are the type of team that in your world should mop the floor with Cincinnati, yet they couldn't do it. I know, they just weren't motivated enough, and in an actual playoff scenario they would ready to go. But that is Georgia. There are literally only a handful of teams with Georgia's talent every year. The bottom of the top 12 last year were far from world beaters, yet you seem to think we should just pretend that teams are better than they are. But ornery reality always gets in the way.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #510 on: July 15, 2021, 10:36:26 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 15, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
But that's the problem. Georgia is a top five team via talent every year. They are the type of team that in your world should mop the floor with Cincinnati, yet they couldn't do it. I know, they just weren't motivated enough, and in an actual playoff scenario they would ready to go. But that is Georgia. There are literally only a handful of teams with Georgia's talent every year. The bottom of the top 12 last year were far from world beaters, yet you seem to think we should just pretend that teams are better than they are. But ornery reality always gets in the way.
The reality is that the Georgia team was djusting to a diminished roster because a bunch of their starters didn't care enough to show up.

The reality is that the game was utterly meaningless to Georgia because they'd already lost their goals in the previous game which is why a bunch of their guys opted out.

The reality is that the game was the biggest in the lifetimes of every Bearcat. 

The reality is that Georgia won anyway. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #511 on: July 15, 2021, 10:56:31 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 15, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
But that's the problem. Georgia is a top five team via talent every year. They are the type of team that in your world should mop the floor with Cincinnati, yet they couldn't do it. I know, they just weren't motivated enough, and in an actual playoff scenario they would ready to go. But that is Georgia. There are literally only a handful of teams with Georgia's talent every year. The bottom of the top 12 last year were far from world beaters, yet you seem to think we should just pretend that teams are better than they are. But ornery reality always gets in the way.

I admit, if you remove 5 starters at random from the 8 or 9 seed, they'll play a close game with a G5 program peaking.  You are correct.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #512 on: July 15, 2021, 10:58:01 PM »
ok, what does it take for a G5 team in be # 4, #5, or #6??

would Scott Frost's Florida team have had a chance?

cause if they're #4, maybe they have a chance
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #513 on: July 15, 2021, 11:04:38 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 15, 2021, 10:58:01 PM
ok, what does it take for a G5 team in be # 4, #5, or #6??

would Scott Frost's Florida team have had a chance?

cause if they're #4, maybe they have a chance
Unfortunately for UCF, no.  They'd have been the 12 seed that year and would have played eventual NC Alabama in Tuscaloosa.  Not exactly the same as a 7-point win over 3-loss Auburn in a meaningless bowl.
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #514 on: July 15, 2021, 11:13:06 PM »
so, there's literally no change

again, this is merely a 4 team playoff with a few extra games to make $$$
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« Reply #515 on: July 15, 2021, 11:21:32 PM »
Maybe the last team out of the playoff can beat a 3-loss team in a bowl and proclaim itself NCs.  
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #516 on: July 16, 2021, 06:50:04 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 15, 2021, 10:36:26 PM
The reality is that the Georgia team was djusting to a diminished roster because a bunch of their starters didn't care enough to show up.

The reality is that the game was utterly meaningless to Georgia because they'd already lost their goals in the previous game which is why a bunch of their guys opted out.

The reality is that the game was the biggest in the lifetimes of every Bearcat.

The reality is that Georgia won anyway.
But....it was a great game! Cincy probably should have won. And you are using this as some sort of evidence that Cincinnati wouldn't be able to compete with Georgia? That makes no sense!
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #517 on: July 16, 2021, 06:51:58 AM »
Though, in retrospect, maybe I should have come around. OSU was without like 14 guys against Alabama so in the WIMU Index (WIMU = Whatever I Make Up) they would have won the national championship, probably by like 20 points.
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