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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #462 on: July 14, 2021, 11:04:30 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 14, 2021, 01:36:57 PM
This is a fair point.  @OrangeAfroMan pointed out above that he tends to view this through the lens of being a fan of a team that is in the race more often than not.  Frankly, I'm the same way.  I was somewhat of a CFB fan as a kid but honestly I was more of a fan of the NFL.  I didn't really get into CFB until I started at Ohio State which just happened to be in the fall of 1993 . . .  Well, 1993 is the start point for a PHENOMENAL run by the Buckeyes.  Even though they "only" have two NC's in the almost 30 years since then they are at or near the top of the heap in almost every metric since then:
  • #1 in winning percentage (by a LOT) over #2 Boise and if you don't count them then it is by a HUMONGOUS margin over #3 Oklahoma, #4 Florida, etc. 
  • #1 in AP Poll appearances by a substantial margin over #2 Florida.  The Buckeyes have been in 428 out of 466 polls since 1993 (91.8%) and note that it would be higher except that they got dinged in 2020 by being left out of two polls because the B1G wasn't playing yet.  Otherwise it would be 430 out of 466 or 92.3%. 
  • #1 in AP top-10 appearances by a HUGE margin over #2 Florida.  The Buckeyes were in 322 out of 466 top-10's (69.1%) and again it would be higher but for the COVID issue. 
  • #2 in AP top-5 appearances behind #1 Bama. 
  • #3 in AP #1 appearances behind #1 Bama and #2 FSU. 
  • #1 in Big11Ten/B1G Championships with 14.  The next two teams (UW and M) have 11 combined and the next three teams combined (UW, M, PSU) only have one more than Ohio State. 

Obviously that is a different view of CFB than most fans have.  However, I still think it matters because even if Ohio State was out of it I'd be interested because, from a national perspective, it matters whether aTm or UW get in because they *MIGHT* beat #4 and might win the whole thing but it doesn't matter whether BGSU or Directional-Michigan get in because they aren't going to beat #5 and they surely aren't going to win the whole thing. 




OSU fandom is different from other helmets imo, due to the consistency. 

The Buckeyes drive it 250 yds down the middle of the fairway every season. Sometimes they miss the upshot or fail to sink the putt, but they rarely slice one into the woods off the tee. 

A school like USC may have the higher ceiling, they have the ability to drive it 300 yds down the fairway on the right year, but more often than not they are slicing it into the woods. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #463 on: July 14, 2021, 11:19:14 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 14, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
Some years, sure. Some years, they will get a win or two. Getting to participate is unquestionably better than the alternative.
this is what the G5's have been asking for, just a chance

the fans might not like repeated ass whippings, but the AD says, "Show me the money!"
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #464 on: July 14, 2021, 11:19:48 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 14, 2021, 11:04:30 PM

OSU fandom is different from other helmets imo, due to the consistency.

The Buckeyes drive it 250 yds down the middle of the fairway every season. Sometimes they miss the upshot or fail to sink the putt, but they rarely slice one into the woods off the tee.

A school like USC may have the higher ceiling, they have the ability to drive it 300 yds down the fairway on the right year, but more often than not they are slicing it into the woods.
golfing analogies???
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #465 on: July 14, 2021, 11:41:24 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 14, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
Some years, sure. Some years, they will get a win or two. Getting to participate is unquestionably better than the alternative.
I think over time this will not be the case.  This isn't basketball.  The only Cinderellas will be a 10-seeded LSU or a 9 seeded Wisconsin.  Time will tell, and we can disagree, but being rewarded with a sure loss is a shit reward.
This goes against the whole idea of the bowls matching up teams from different conferences of relatively equal merit.  That is efforting for a competitive game.  
Including the G5 team isn't efforting for a competitive game.  It's placating programs with lesser talent, coaching, and facilities.  In their case, it's be careful what you wish for.  
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #466 on: July 15, 2021, 01:45:47 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 14, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
Some years, sure. Some years, they will get a win or two. Getting to participate is unquestionably better than the alternative.
Your equating years of beatings with years of getting a win or two is misleading because it makes it sound like a 50/50 proposition. It isn't. 

I've given this example before but if you want to quantify the gap between the top of the P5 and the top of the G5 look at 2019.

Ohio State was near the top of the P5 and Cincinnati was near the top of the G5. When they played the Buckeyes won 42-0. That is the gap we are talking about here. The tallest midgets will win their opener maybe once or twice in 20 years but they''d be lucy to win a second game once a century. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #467 on: July 15, 2021, 07:35:19 AM »
I remember a better OSU team that needed a miracle in order to get past a worse Cincinnati team. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #468 on: July 15, 2021, 09:14:00 AM »
trap game

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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #469 on: July 15, 2021, 09:47:06 AM »
The top tier teams in the AAC and MWC will get better and better recruits rolling in with each playoff appearance. They will begin to out recruit middle of the road P5 teams that have little to no chance of ever getting in. 

To assume that things will stay exactly as they are now under vastly different circumstances is not very realistic imo. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #470 on: July 15, 2021, 09:56:22 AM »
you could be right, but the difference in money for P5 conference teams is vast
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #471 on: July 15, 2021, 10:03:18 AM »
Yet many of them are already quite a bit worse than Cincy, Memphis, Houston, etc. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #472 on: July 15, 2021, 10:05:42 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 15, 2021, 09:47:06 AM
The top tier teams in the AAC and MWC will get better and better recruits rolling in with each playoff appearance. They will begin to out recruit middle of the road P5 teams that have little to no chance of ever getting in.

To assume that things will stay exactly as they are now under vastly different circumstances is not very realistic imo.
I don't believe this would happen.

If it happens, that would count as a wild success. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #473 on: July 15, 2021, 10:10:59 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 14, 2021, 08:33:56 PM
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What's worst about this, I'm predicting, is the fans of the strong G5 programs that will make it from time to time and just get emasculated over and over.  Getting their seat at the table isn't going to be pleasant - setting them up in front of a big-boy team with their highest aspirations still in front of them, and not sneaking up on them after their dreams were dashed in some consolation prize bowl.  Watch out.
So they can play in a game that counts, and lose with effort and heart, or they can play a game where just playing it means many will quickly explain the outcome doesn't matter because the more talented team didn't care? I can't believe they don't want that.

They play "emasculating" games every. Single. Year. And you know what, the kids mostly enjoy the experience. Losing sucks, but playing big time ball is great. It's why kids go to Florida when they could put up monster numbers at FAU. 

And you know what's going to happen in the highly unlikely scenario that playing in big games hurts their feelings THAT much. They'll just quit. They'll beg out, make their own playoff and save themselves from your "worst" prediction. It's not actually going to happen, but it's the perfect out if it did. 
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #474 on: July 15, 2021, 10:23:19 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 15, 2021, 01:45:47 AM
Your equating years of beatings with years of getting a win or two is misleading because it makes it sound like a 50/50 proposition. It isn't.

I've given this example before but if you want to quantify the gap between the top of the P5 and the top of the G5 look at 2019.

Ohio State was near the top of the P5 and Cincinnati was near the top of the G5. When they played the Buckeyes won 42-0. That is the gap we are talking about here. The tallest midgets will win their opener maybe once or twice in 20 years but they''d be lucy to win a second game once a century.
Like Brutus said, OSU won a national championship and beat a .500 Cincy team 23-19
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Re: SI Says 12 Team Playoff Likely w/ 6 At-Large
« Reply #475 on: July 15, 2021, 10:32:59 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 14, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
Some years, sure. Some years, they will get a win or two. Getting to participate is unquestionably better than the alternative.
No question.  The MEAC basketball tourney still ends with a court storming celebration
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