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MaximumSam

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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #210 on: November 26, 2021, 06:25:05 PM »

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What are you missing?
I mean, right now, you can make a very healthy case that Cincinnati is better than any Big 12 team, just based on results on the field. You are saying that if the Big 12 teams all play each other and one emerges champion, that makes them a better team. I can see how you would rather reward the Big 12 team by playing the tougher schedule, but playing a tougher schedule doesn't mean any of them are magically better teams.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #211 on: November 26, 2021, 06:39:18 PM »
Who should be in ahead of Cincy and why?
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #212 on: November 26, 2021, 06:56:17 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 26, 2021, 06:25:05 PM
I mean, right now, you can make a very healthy case that Cincinnati is better than any Big 12 team, just based on results on the field. You are saying that if the Big 12 teams all play each other and one emerges champion, that makes them a better team. I can see how you would rather reward the Big 12 team by playing the tougher schedule, but playing a tougher schedule doesn't mean any of them are magically better teams.

No, not magically.....they all just have more evidence.  You know, that's kind of a big deal when we can't TRULY know, we have to go by the existing evidence.
Cincinnati's existing evidence is a 1-game season.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #213 on: November 26, 2021, 07:04:06 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 26, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
If fairness isn't a thing, sports isn't a thing.

Is this a joke?

Is it fair that the Yankees' payroll is triple that of their opponent?

Is it fair that Georgia has to play Alabama for their conference title and Cincinnati only plays Houston?

Is it fair that one basketball team signs 3 HOFers?

Are injuries fair?

Is your HC leaving for a better job fair?

You've absolutely abandoned strength of schedule being a thing and now you post this?  Are you okay?  I'm genuinely asking.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #214 on: November 26, 2021, 07:05:45 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 26, 2021, 05:30:30 PM
And again, a straw man argument.  I fully expect Cincinnati to get blasted.  Doesn't change my opinion.  otherwise just use the 247 composite recruiting rankings, and put the top 4 in.
Talk about straw man.

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.  Suddenly everyone is just taking strength of schedule and throwing it in the trash can.  WTF?!?
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #215 on: November 26, 2021, 07:05:58 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2021, 06:56:17 PM
No, not magically.....they all just have more evidence.  You know, that's kind of a big deal when we can't TRULY know, we have to go by the existing evidence.
Cincinnati's existing evidence is a 1-game season.

No it isn't. You are simply ignoring evidence on the field because to look at it kills your argument.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #216 on: November 26, 2021, 07:07:54 PM »

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Is this a joke?
No. The fact that some schools have a ton of advantaged over other schools is a fact, and it isn't fair. Your argument, as far as I can tell, is that the disadvantaged schools shouldn't be allowed to even compete, even when they have better teams than the advantaged schools.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #217 on: November 26, 2021, 07:09:08 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2021, 07:05:45 PM
Talk about straw man.

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.  Suddenly everyone is just taking strength of schedule and throwing it in the trash can.  WTF?!?
I have yet to see anyone here claim that an undefeated Cincy should be in over an undefeated P5 team. Yet in response I'm am getting some absolute nonsense that 2 loss Baylor deserves a shot in the playoffs over Cincinnati because of the greatness of the Big 12.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #218 on: November 26, 2021, 07:10:10 PM »
You keep using the phrase "on the field," but you're ignoring the teams on the field.

Take an average playoff-level team.
Give them Cincinnati's schedule.
Tell me how many losable games they play.


The 85 Bears can wax a bunch of high school teams and according to you, they "earned it on the field."  Great.  Thanks for playing!  
But you're ignoring that the winless Lions could do the same with the same schedule.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #219 on: November 26, 2021, 07:11:50 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 26, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
No. The fact that some schools have a ton of advantaged over other schools is a fact, and it isn't fair. Your argument, as far as I can tell, is that the disadvantaged schools shouldn't be allowed to even compete, even when they have better teams than the advantaged schools.

Do you want the stats on "disadvantaged" vs P5 teams?  Are you sure about that?
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #220 on: November 26, 2021, 07:22:48 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 26, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
I have yet to see anyone here claim that an undefeated Cincy should be in over an undefeated P5 team. Yet in response I'm am getting some absolute nonsense that 2 loss Baylor deserves a shot in the playoffs over Cincinnati because of the greatness of the Big 12.
Let's pretend Baylor and Cincinnati are exactly the same quality of team.  Humor me.

This argument isn't about who's actually better, because we dont know and can't know.  So what is it about?  It's about resume and eye test.  The same 2 things it's always been about in this era of college football.

Resume is not just record.  It's about record and who that record is against.  You know this.  You're either bored enough to troll like a fiend or you've lost all credibility.  

Why weren't you advocating for Wake Forest before they lost?  Why not let in UT-San Antonio in over Cincinnati?  Let's get an FCS team and throw them in the playoff.  I'm sure one of them is undefeated and feels unfairly treated.  
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #221 on: November 26, 2021, 07:22:56 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2021, 07:11:50 PM
Do you want the stats on "disadvantaged" vs P5 teams?  Are you sure about that?
I'm not interested in stats on P5 v. G5. That is wholly irrelevant. I want the stats on the best teams. This year, that includes Cincinnati. I don't know why people would be up in arms that Cincinnati us better than Oklahoma this year. Most people would be relieved.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #222 on: November 26, 2021, 07:25:07 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2021, 07:22:48 PM
Let's pretend Baylor and Cincinnati are exactly the same quality of team.  Humor me.

This argument isn't about who's actually better, because we dont know and can't know.  So what is it about?  It's about resume and eye test.  The same 2 things it's always been about in this era of college football.

Resume is not just record.  It's about record and who that record is against.  You know this.  You're either bored enough to troll like a fiend or you've lost all credibility. 

Why weren't you advocating for Wake Forest before they lost?  Why not let in UT-San Antonio in over Cincinnati?  Let's get an FCS team and throw them in the playoff.  I'm sure one of them is undefeated and feels unfairly treated. 
How about look at the games??? As I have advocated this entire thread.
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Re: Second CFP Rankings
« Reply #223 on: November 26, 2021, 07:30:38 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 26, 2021, 07:22:56 PM
I'm not interested in stats on P5 v. G5. That is wholly irrelevant. I want the stats on the best teams. This year, that includes Cincinnati. I don't know why people would be up in arms that Cincinnati us better than Oklahoma this year. Most people would be relieved.
You could even throw all the games before now out the window.  Set up all the contenders in a row and look at their routes to the playoff.
Georgia, you have to beat GT  and then #3 Alabama.
OSU, you have to beat #5Michigan and then #14 Wisconsin
Alabama, you have to beat Auburn and then #1 Georgia
Cincinnati, you have to beat East Carolina and then Houston
Michigan, you have to beat #2 OSU and then #14 Wisconsin
Notre Dame, you have to beat Stanford and then masturbate onto your NBC contract
Oklahoma St/Baylor/OU, you have to beat each other twice (more or less) (all ranked 7-10)
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Obviously, the easiest route is ND's.  But no one here is advocating for them.  
The next-easiest route is Cincinnati's. 
Then which one would you choose for yourself?  A couple of top 10 teams or a top 5 team and someone else?



EVEN IN A 2-GAME SCHEDULE, CINCINNATI'S IS WEAK, LOL.
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