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Topic: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State 28, #9 Washington 23

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ELA

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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2018, 05:36:16 PM »
I don't understand the fierce objection to minor bowl games.

It is essentially just an extra spring session, only you get to play against another team at the end.

If you don't care, then don't watch. Simple as that.
In a vacuum they are fine, it's what they do the the "most important regular season in sports" that I dislike.

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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2018, 05:56:06 PM »
In a vacuum they are fine, it's what they do the the "most important regular season in sports" that I dislike.


Personally I don't particularly see how they diminish the regular season. 

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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2018, 06:05:51 PM »
I like minor bowl games, else the middle of December would be more boring than usual.

Players get some attention because nothing else is on TV.

Teams get a payday, maybe, or not, and more practices.

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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2018, 06:32:02 PM »

Personally I don't particularly see how they diminish the regular season.


With more slots (obviously) comes less exclusivity. And in a world where the bowl season is as bloated (and mostly monotone) as ours is now, it makes it difficult to notice the difference in reward between P5 teams with 6, 7, 8 and 9 wins.
I think that's what he's talking about. There are other bowl-related issues (like the diminishment of Rose Bowl traditions) that have hurt the regular season, but that's an entirely separate conversation.

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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2018, 06:42:25 PM »
Yeah, I've heard the reasoning. 

The way I see it, allowing non-Conference Champs to be eligible for the playoffs does a Helluva lot more to diminish the regular season than allowing a bunch of 6-6 teams to play a glorified exhibition game. 
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2018, 06:56:52 PM »
That's not a gripe about this year btw. My contention since 2001 has been that the BCS/CFPC should only consider the conference champions and the top independent, and that all other teams should be ineligible. All four of the teams that made it this year met that criteria.
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2018, 09:28:28 PM »
OSU Rose Bowl History.

1921: Dr John Wilce's Buckeye squad got thumped by Cal 28-0, which was OSU's worst bowl performance of all time, up until the 31-0 Clemson fiasco. OSU All-American star QB Gaylord "Pete" Stinchcomb was held to 82 yards rushing.


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Stinchcomb kind of gets lost in Chic Harley's shadow a little bit, but the two had overlapping careers, and they were the school's first two all Americans.

He's also the guy in the infamous mud photo.

Here is is on the left with Chic Harley at Ohio Stadium.



The timeline here is a little mystifying, as the Shoe wasn't completed until 1922. Alumni game?

Harley played in 16, 17 and 19. Stinchcomb played in 17, 19 and 20. (they both fought in WWI in 1918)
They both went undefeated against the Wolverines. 19 and 20. First two OSU wins in the series. The Buckeyes won again in 21, but not again after that until 28.
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2018, 12:39:51 PM »
I'm always curious about what the typical weight of an OL was back then, 180 maybe?

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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State (12-1) vs. #9 Washington (10-3)
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2018, 01:38:59 PM »
Here's a few from the 58 Rose Bowl vs Oregon. 





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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
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WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
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WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

 

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