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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on December 02, 2018, 01:11:51 PM
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Should be a fun game. Washington has a tough defense and the type of offense that will give OSU fits.
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OSU Rose Bowl History.
1921: Dr John Wilce's Buckeye squad got thumped by Cal 28-0, which was OSU's worst bowl performance of all time, up until the 31-0 Clemson fiasco. OSU All-American star QB Gaylord "Pete" Stynchcomb was held to 82 yards rushing.
1950: Wes Fesler's Buckeyes edged Cal 17-14 in en route to their first Rose Bowl victory. OSU FB Fred "Curly" Morrison was the MVP of the game, rushing for 119 yards and a TD.
1955: OSU trounced USC 20-7 in Woody Hayes first Rose Bowl and National Championship. It would have been a 1vs2 match up had UCLA not been shut out of the Rose Bowl due to the "no repeat" rule. Hopalong Cassidy paced the OSU ground assault in a rainy, muddy Rose Bowl.
1958: The Buckeyes edged Oregon 10-7 en route to another National Championship. It was an OSU team of pure grit, with all of their top players residing on the lines, in the trenches.
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1969: The Super Sophs guided the Buckeyes to a 27-16 win over USC in the Rose Bowl, and another National Championship. The game featured an epic hit where Jack Tatum completely flattened Trojan RB OJ Simpson. Rex Kern, Jim Stillwagon and Jim Otis were part of that legendary class as well. The game had extra meaning, after the 1961 NC team was blocked from playing in the Rose Bowl by OSU's own faculty.
1971: OSU dropped one to the Stanford Indians 27-17. The Super Sophs' senior campaign ended on a sour note, although OSU does retain some sorta sheepishly claimed NC for this season.
1973: OSU star TB Archie Griffin led the Buckeyes to four straight Rose Bowls, albeit with a 1-3 record. His freshman campaign ended with a 42-17 trouncing at the hands of USC.
1974: OSU got USC back with a 42-21 Rose Bowl victory. OSU was paced by FB Pete Johnson's 3TD performance, with Archie and QB Corny Greene each adding one of their own. The Buckeyes posted an undefeated season; albeit with a tie in THE GAME.
1975: The Buckeyes were upset by USC 18-17, with a late Trojan TD and a successful two point conversion in the third straight Rose Bowl between the two teams.
1976: Archie's senior year ended with a 23-10 trouncing at the hands of UCLA. FB Pete Johnson scored the lone Buckeye TD.
1980: Earle Bruce's inaugural campaign ended in heartache, as USC scored a late TD that prevented OSU from having an undefeated, untied NC. Art Schlichter lobbed the only TD for the Scarlet and Grey.
1985: Bruce's squad dropped a 20-17 Rose Bowl to the USC Trojans, Chris Carter caught the lone OSU TD from Mike Tomczak.
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1997: Stanley Jackson and Joe Germaine led a two headed monster at QB, as the latter rose to the occasion in securing a Rose Bowl win over HC John Cooper's former team.
2010: Terrelle Pryor lobbed two TD passes as OSU defeated the Oregon Ducks 26-17. It was the lone Rose Bowl appearance for Buckeye HC Jim Tressel.
2019: Urban Meyer becomes the sixth consecutive OSU HC to lead the Buckeyes to at least one Rose Bowl appearance (Fickel notwithstanding).
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1976: Archie's senior year ended with a 23-10 trouncing at the hands of UCLA. FB Pete Johnson scored the lone Buckeye TD.
That one hurt - Costing them an NC.The Buckeyes stomped the Bruins 3 months earlier 41-20.
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rematches SUCK
especially for the team that won the first game
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Bucks -6, I like that early line. Have to wait and see what players sit game out. Probably Haskins last game as a buckeye, too bad we may only have got to see him spin it for 1 year.
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Probably no Dremont Jones
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Old school feeling Rose Bowl.
Conference champions. No MNC on the line. Two good teams with flaws ready to slug it out.
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Probably no Dremont Jones
And people even on this board think it's a good idea to expand the season/play offs.This will continue to be a real thing with great players sitting it out nothing will be proved except more money for the networks.The season will be a caveat and there will be an asterisk next to the record
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And people even on this board think it's a good idea to expand the season/play offs.This will continue to be a real thing with great players sitting it out nothing will be proved except more money for the networks.The season will be a caveat and there will be an asterisk next to the record
Players sitting out/the irrelevance of all non CFP bowls is possibly the strongest argument in favor of expanding the playoff. Guys only sit out because the CFP has made every other bowl totally meaningless.
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That one hurt - Costing them an NC.The Buckeyes stomped the Bruins 3 months earlier 41-20.
Probably Corny Greens worst day as a buckeye. In my teenage mind at the time, I said he was obviously paid off because he knew he wasn't going to the NFL so he took the money and ran.
I really think Woody might have retired after that season if they had won. Going out with Archie and the NC.
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From SB Nation:
- Rose Bowl: No. 6 Ohio State 30, No. 9 Washington (+4.5) 27 (Jan. 1, 5:00 pm ET, ESPN)
There’s some fun tension in this one — Washington is good at turning any game into a defensive slog, and Ohio State’s good at giving anyone enough big plays to make things exciting. Something’s! Got! To give!
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Haskins is 420 yards shy of 5000 yards passing and 3 TD passes shy of 50. He has the B1G record already but those would be some nice round numbers. The TD's a lot more obtainable than the yards though.
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Players sitting out/the irrelevance of all non CFP bowls is possibly the strongest argument in favor of expanding the playoff. Guys only sit out because the CFP has made every other bowl totally meaningless.
Don't think so,more and more are going to be sitting out the longer the season stretches coaches may have one ear but family/friends/agents have the other
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2009: USC 38, Penn St. 24 – USC raced out to a 24-point halftime lead and on its way to its third straight Rose Bowl win via a blowout. Quarterback Mark Sanchez passed for 413 yards and four touchdowns.
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Haskins headed to the Heisman ceremony
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Players sitting out/the irrelevance of all non CFP bowls is possibly the strongest argument in favor of expanding the playoff. Guys only sit out because the CFP has made every other bowl totally meaningless.
It does feel odd to a guy my age that the Rose Bowl, the Granddaddy of them all, the thing we were gunning for for decades is now a consolation prize for also-rans that kids would even think about sitting out.
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Oh in about 20-25 yrs when the NFL is forced to start it's own minor league because Universities are thru spoon feeding them the Rose will be that again
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Funny how we all bemoan the changes that have taken place since the 70s, while ignoring the fact that there were a lot more changes over the 40 years prior to the 70s than there has been over the 40 years since.
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Well Urban's last Buckeye game giving a lot more juice to this game. Hopefully it will be a proper send off.
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Funny how we all bemoan the changes that have taken place since the 70s, while ignoring the fact that there were a lot more changes over the 40 years prior to the 70s than there has been over the 40 years since.
nothing funny about it, I'm only old enough to become aware of the Rose Bowl about the time Archie Griffin was a junior.
I didn't know much about the 40 season's prior to the 70's
Ask Wild Bill Snyder, he could tell some stories
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I was tawkin' 'bout the 1970s. Not the 1870s.
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Haskins headed to the Heisman ceremony
he should win it imo.
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Funny how we all bemoan the changes that have taken place since the 70s, while ignoring the fact that there were a lot more changes over the 40 years prior to the 70s than there has been over the 40 years since.
Perhaps but the Bowl Games meant more as there might have been a Dozen or so.Now they pass them out with the participation trophies
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he should win it imo.
but espn has declared him a distant 3rd.
I would love for it to be Haskins, but am kinda hoping it's the kid from 'bama. Since the 2 front runners are playing each other the team that doesn't win the Heisman will feel slighted and use it as motivation in the game. and 'bama doesn't need any more motivation to win it.
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Old school feeling Rose Bowl.
Conference champions. No MNC on the line. Two good teams with flaws ready to slug it out.
Usually, it was the Pac team slinging the ball around and the B1G team going 3 yards and a cloud and a tough D.
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Perhaps but the Bowl Games meant more as there might have been a Dozen or so.Now they pass them out with the participation trophies
the Big Ten could go back to their old rule of only one bowl team each season
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I don't understand the fierce objection to minor bowl games.
It is essentially just an extra spring session, only you get to play against another team at the end.
If you don't care, then don't watch. Simple as that.
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This game has a lot more meaning now with Urban leaving. It is going to be interesting to see how the team responds, will they be fired up or flat as the Purdue game? Will the play calling be QB left, QB right, QB starts to run middle....punt? I know with Haskins in, it will not be like BMX or JT but that is Urbans stamp on football. Will we see Paris Campbell run the Jet Sweep 1,254 times? OR.....will this be a Ryan Day in full control mode of the offense and Urban gets the credit?
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I don't understand the fierce objection to minor bowl games.
It is essentially just an extra spring session, only you get to play against another team at the end.
If you don't care, then don't watch. Simple as that.
In a vacuum they are fine, it's what they do the the "most important regular season in sports" that I dislike.
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In a vacuum they are fine, it's what they do the the "most important regular season in sports" that I dislike.
Personally I don't particularly see how they diminish the regular season.
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I like minor bowl games, else the middle of December would be more boring than usual.
Players get some attention because nothing else is on TV.
Teams get a payday, maybe, or not, and more practices.
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Personally I don't particularly see how they diminish the regular season.
With more slots (obviously) comes less exclusivity. And in a world where the bowl season is as bloated (and mostly monotone) as ours is now, it makes it difficult to notice the difference in reward between P5 teams with 6, 7, 8 and 9 wins.
I think that's what he's talking about. There are other bowl-related issues (like the diminishment of Rose Bowl traditions) that have hurt the regular season, but that's an entirely separate conversation.
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Yeah, I've heard the reasoning.
The way I see it, allowing non-Conference Champs to be eligible for the playoffs does a Helluva lot more to diminish the regular season than allowing a bunch of 6-6 teams to play a glorified exhibition game.
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That's not a gripe about this year btw. My contention since 2001 has been that the BCS/CFPC should only consider the conference champions and the top independent, and that all other teams should be ineligible. All four of the teams that made it this year met that criteria.
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OSU Rose Bowl History.
1921: Dr John Wilce's Buckeye squad got thumped by Cal 28-0, which was OSU's worst bowl performance of all time, up until the 31-0 Clemson fiasco. OSU All-American star QB Gaylord "Pete" Stinchcomb was held to 82 yards rushing.
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Stinchcomb kind of gets lost in Chic Harley's shadow a little bit, but the two had overlapping careers, and they were the school's first two all Americans.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/SHYAAOSwCPdavZ65/s-l225.jpg)
He's also the guy in the infamous mud photo.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5d/Pete_Stinchcomb.jpg/260px-Pete_Stinchcomb.jpg)
Here is is on the left with Chic Harley at Ohio Stadium.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dts0OGcU4AABwHB.jpg:large)
The timeline here is a little mystifying, as the Shoe wasn't completed until 1922. Alumni game?
Harley played in 16, 17 and 19. Stinchcomb played in 17, 19 and 20. (they both fought in WWI in 1918)
They both went undefeated against the Wolverines. 19 and 20. First two OSU wins in the series. The Buckeyes won again in 21, but not again after that until 28.
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I'm always curious about what the typical weight of an OL was back then, 180 maybe?
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Here's a few from the 58 Rose Bowl vs Oregon.
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(https://cdn.fishduck.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Jack-Crabtree-1958-Video-FP.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7ZDMDdKtU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1HtofWTGGk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny9fyl4bVWg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il32mM0r768
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOhcNjyiPiI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwG3qDGksfk&t=4s
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I love those Drive-Thru videos.
I was only around for the 2010 and 1997 games.
Man in 2010 the Bucks were just crushing the Ducks, but they could only get field goals and the score looked a lot closer than the game felt.
1997, I think I felt actual hate for Musburger. He just ragged on OSU the whole game and put Roberts on a pedestal that his performance just didn't warrant (well till the next to last drive.)
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Man in 2010 the Bucks were just crushing the Ducks, but they could only get field goals and the score looked a lot closer than the game felt.
Actually i felt the opposite the last 5 minutes Tressel just ran the ball down their throats eating time up.Oregon couldn't stop them.Earlier in the week Chippy said something along the lines like who can stop us(their offense).Pretty much everybody had Oregon winning but i don't think the Buckeyes ever trailed.That's why I never liked Chip thought he was some Genius,left town ahead of the sheriff and sold a bag of goods to the NFL.Won a PAC 12 Championship and that was it.Millionaire many times over and IMO he was no where near worth it
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Actually i felt the opposite the last 5 minutes Tressel just ran the ball down their throats eating time up.Oregon couldn't stop them.Earlier in the week Chippy said something along the lines like who can stop us(their offense).Pretty much everybody had Oregon winning but i don't think the Buckeyes ever trailed.That's why I never liked Chip thought he was some Genius,left town ahead of the sheriff and sold a bag of goods to the NFL.Won a PAC 12 Championship and that was it.Millionaire many times over and IMO he was no where near worth it
Bingo. UCLA will come to realize that they too got fleeced.
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OK, I'm hearing the talking heads talking up Washington, a lot.
All three of their losses were by less than a TD, on the road to "great" teams (Auburn, Cal, & Oregon.)
Peterson is one of the best modern day coaches and knows how to scheme against big time opponents.
Browning is a Sunday League caliber Quarterback, the best OSU has faced this year.
They have at least 4 NFL'ers (Gaines, Burr-Kiven, Murphy and Rapp,) on the Best Defense OSU has faced this year (Sorry M*ch*g*n.)
The public is just assuming the recruiting stars on OSU, Haskins arm, and Urban retiring is a perfect storm for OSU to dominate. I think this game could be a barn burner, and if OSU's D gets burned at the rate they normally do it could spell trouble for our Bucks.
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Actually i felt the opposite the last 5 minutes Tressel just ran the ball down their throats eating time up.Oregon couldn't stop them.Earlier in the week Chippy said something along the lines like who can stop us(their offense).Pretty much everybody had Oregon winning but i don't think the Buckeyes ever trailed.
I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing.
Oregon took a short lived lead 17-16 in the 3rd, part of the string of 4 straight field goals OSU made.
OSU dominated yards 420 - 260, Scoring Drives 6-3, TOP 41:37 - 18:23; won on Turnovers 2-1, & Penalties 39 - 59. It "felt" like OSU was dominating the whole game, but they only had a 2 point lead halfway through the 4th quarter.
I agree with you about the last 5 minutes. After OSU got a two score lead, and Oregon couldn't answer; the Buckeyes could finally do some Tressel ball and just smash mouth run out the clock.
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Yeah, I've heard the reasoning.
The way I see it, allowing non-Conference Champs to be eligible for the playoffs does a Helluva lot more to diminish the regular season than allowing a bunch of 6-6 teams to play a glorified exhibition game.
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Random Thought, I may have to go find the right thread to place this in:
What if the CFP only released a Top 6 (instead of 25) and those 6 were the 5 conference champs and 1 at large?
I would assert the fundamentally, and practically nothing changes from the current format, but it gives the appearance that championships matter.
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I know there are reasons why they've played elsewhere but Ohio State has 2 Rose Bowl wins in the past 45 years. Texas has 2 in past 13 years.
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Well OSU has five Rose Bowl appearances in the last 45 actually. But I only posted highlights of the ones that they won.
Except 1955. No highlights of that OSU Rose Bowl win for some mystifying reason. Woody's first NC, no Rose Bowl highlights.
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I know there are reasons why they've played elsewhere but Ohio State has 2 Rose Bowl wins in the past 45 years. Texas has 2 in past 13 years.
why does it always have to be about Texas?
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Ohio State won in the Cotton Bowl last year and in 2014 at Jerry World - doesn't mean they own Texas.That'd be Oklahoma's Dept ;D
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Well OSU has five Rose Bowl appearances in the last 45 actually. But I only posted highlights of the ones that they won.
Except 1955. No highlights of that OSU Rose Bowl win for some mystifying reason. Woody's first NC, no Rose Bowl highlights.
I always kind of work der how those get out. I watched like an hour highlight reel released by MSU of their 1954 Rose Bowl win, and there is nothing out there from their 56 or 66 Rose Bowl trips.
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I always kind of work der how those get out. I watched like an hour highlight reel released by MSU of their 1954 Rose Bowl win, and there is nothing out there from their 56 or 66 Rose Bowl trips.
Yeah, oddly enough there are highlights from just about every Big Ten game from OSU's 54 season, but zilch on the 55 Rose Bowl win vs Usc.
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College Football Nerds are predicting Washington to beat OSU in every measurable statistic, except final score. 😕
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCZJVjKwJno
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College Football Nerds are predicting Washington to beat OSU in every measurable statistic, except final score. 😕
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCZJVjKwJno
The Big Ten was weaker in 2018 than 2017, but still better than the PAC-12, and the top teams in the East of the Big Ten were better the best of the Big Ten. The statistical comparison is nice by the Nerds, but if Ohio State brings its game, they will defeat Washington State by 10 or more.
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Thank You Urban. I recall Florida fans saying he would stick around for 6 seasons, so I'll happily take the Bonus Year we got out of him.
83-9 is amazing.
I bet a lot of Vegas Buckeye fans were pissed off with 42 seconds left. (spread was 5.5, the last score dropped the margin to 5.)
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Thank You Urban. I recall Florida fans saying he would stick around for 6 seasons, so I'll happily take the Bonus Year we got out of him.
83-9 is amazing.
I bet a lot of Vegas Buckeye fans were pissed off with 42 seconds left. (spread was 5.5, the last score dropped the margin to 5.)
Made that potential 2 point interception return big.
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Made that potential 2 point interception return big.
Yup, we were at a sports bar that I think a lot of people had money on the game. So, much swearing at the last TD, and a lot excited screaming during the return, with table slapping and more swearing after the play ending trip.
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Yup, we were at a sports bar that I think a lot of people had money on the game.
Ya I had to quit wagering - finishes like that aren't good for the long term health.Financial or otherwise :41::banghead:
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I thoroughly enjoyed this game despite the late difficulties. There is just something about the Rose Bowl.