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Topic: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters

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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2025, 11:56:29 AM »
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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #85 on: August 19, 2025, 12:00:21 PM »
I think the Big Ten conference should police it's own.  Why push the dirty work off on the NCAA?
the Big Ten conference is obviously allowing cheating against it's own members
Bug Eater WTH do you think is the NCAA's job in the 1st place??? It's not Dirty work they have been paid abundantly to regulate infractions to begin with.They have failed thus eliminating them will allow the "Big Ten conference to police it's own". Now do you get it?



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« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2025, 12:05:38 PM »
Serious question: is the NCAA now getting football revenue? 20 years ago it didn't--that all went to the conferences, teams, and bowl committees. Does the CFB championship money go to the NCAA? I would think it still goes to the conferences/teams, otherwise why would the conferences have agreed to it?

Back then the NCAA brought in a lot of TV revenue, but it was (nearly) all on basketball. Has that changed to include football?

(FWIW, Google AI doesn't think this has changed from the regime I knew.)
No it is still the same-- football is not included, for FBS/D-1A.

All of the television contracts are with the conferences (or directly with schools in the case of independents).  This includes all post-season games as well.  The CCGs, bowls, and playoff games, are all negotiated directly with the conferences and independents, not the NCAA.

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« Reply #87 on: August 19, 2025, 12:08:15 PM »
Bug Eater WTH do you think is the NCAA's job in the 1st place??? It's not Dirty work they have been paid abundantly to regulate infractions to begin with.They have failed thus eliminating them will allow the "Big Ten conference should police it's own". Now do you get it?





People are constantly lamenting how weak and toothless the NCAA is.  And they're right. 

If you want serious enforcement, then I can understand Fearless' appeal to have the conference do it rather than the NCAA.  If your response to that is, "Well then, what the heck is the NCAA any good for?" well I think that's a fair question, and the answer is, not much.

But because the conference controls the distribution of hundreds of millions of dollars to its member schools, it has much stronger capability to compel compliance.

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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2025, 12:09:07 PM »
The NCAA prose:

3. Financial Penalty: Michigan shall pay a financial penalty comprised of the following: 

a. Pursuant to Bylaw 19.12.7.1 and Figure 19-1, a core financial penalty of $50,000 plus ten percent of the budget for the football program.44 
b. Pursuant to Bylaw 19.12.7.2 and Figure 19-1, an additional fine equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the 2025-26 and 2026-27 football seasons.45 
c. Pursuant to 19.12.7.2 and Figure 19-1, an additional fine equivalent to the cost of 10 percent of the scholarships awarded in Michigan’s football program for the 2025-26 academic year.


Total monetary fine is estimated to be between $20 and $30 million.

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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #89 on: August 19, 2025, 12:09:45 PM »
Donovan Edwards moved on 
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« Reply #90 on: August 19, 2025, 12:17:22 PM »
If you want serious enforcement, then I can understand Fearless' appeal to have the conference do it rather than the NCAA
Sheesh,that's been exactly my point but the boils that are the NCAA must be lanced 1st.They have to be jettisoned before the Conference can act on its own & the best interests of everybody with in it.Dealing with the NCAA is like picking a turd up by the clean end - it' can't be done
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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #91 on: August 19, 2025, 12:18:15 PM »
Bob Stoops Weighs In On Michigan's WEAK Punishment

https://youtu.be/2zZBITbKWiE?t=1667
This, Pate, etc.  Just more examples.  The divide here isn't tOSU vs everyone else it is everyone who thinks integrity vs the Michigan "men".  

Early on in this saga @ELA called Michigan the "Auburn of the North" and I think it was an LSU fan that called that insulting.  It is insulting . . . to Auburn.  

One dirtbag program has:
  • The worst cheating scandal in the modern history of CFB
  • The worst cheating scandal in the modern history of CBB
  • The worst cheating scandal in the modern history of College Baseball

The entire program is trash.  

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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #92 on: August 19, 2025, 12:18:55 PM »
But because the conference controls the distribution of hundreds of millions of dollars to its member schools, it has much stronger capability to compel compliance.
As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs. 

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« Reply #93 on: August 19, 2025, 12:27:13 PM »
As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs.
True enough.

I'm not saying it would work any better, I'm just saying I understand the appeal to try something different, to try something other than the thing that we already know doesn't work and hasn't worked for over half a century.

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« Reply #94 on: August 19, 2025, 12:27:33 PM »
5* #1 RB in the country and top 10 player overall in the nation Savion Hiter commits to Michigan over Ohio State.
He obviously isn't going there for an education or the two whole NC's M has supposedly racked up since WWII. You're bagmen are the best in the business maybe behind Texas,however Ms lack of scruples takes a backseat to nobody. Anyway have fun maybe you,Portnoy,Ellison,etc; can greet & entertain him with some home movies from Matt Weiss
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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #95 on: August 19, 2025, 12:28:04 PM »
As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs.
I believe that this is the heart of the matter. Money talks and the conference doesn't want to do anything to rock that boat. 

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« Reply #96 on: August 19, 2025, 12:29:04 PM »
True enough.

I'm not saying it would work any better, I'm just saying I understand the appeal to try something different, to try something other than the thing that we already know doesn't work and hasn't worked for over half a century.
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Re: Ridiculously lenient slap on wrist for cheaters
« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2025, 12:30:13 PM »
People are constantly lamenting how weak and toothless the NCAA is.  And they're right.

If you want serious enforcement, then I can understand Fearless' appeal to have the conference do it rather than the NCAA.  If your response to that is, "Well then, what the heck is the NCAA any good for?" well I think that's a fair question, and the answer is, not much.

But because the conference controls the distribution of hundreds of millions of dollars to its member schools, it has much stronger capability to compel compliance.
As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs.
You are both correct.  There also is a problem with conferences doing it because the SEC is going to look at Michigan getting away with murder and not want to penalize one of their members when the B1G didn't and that general concept will perpetually and go both ways.  SEC fans will ALWAYS say that B1G teams do worse and B1G fans will ALWAYS say that SEC teams do worse.  

Now more than ever we need a competent and fast moving governing body to handle both player and program discipline.  

Twice in the last ~15 years we've had to watch while the integrity of the game was directly assaulted when a school that literally everyone knew was cheating won the NC and the NCAA sat and did nothing.  There will always be dirtbag programs like Auburn and Michigan and there will always be dirtbag coaches like Harbaugh but we need a governing body to keep them in check.  The NCAA has clearly and obviously failed and is beneath worthless.  

I included player discipline because in the NIL and portal era, schools are basically powerless to enforce discipline.  I'm going to use Texas as the example but don't get upset @utee94 , it is just for illustrative purposes.  Suppose that Manning does something REALLY bad off-campus.  Suppose, for arguments sake that it is something that all of us agree he should be suspended for.  Can Sark really suspend him?  Realistically there are at least two problems that are new in the new era:
  • If Sark suspends him, he can transfer and Texas might well end up playing against him and potentially losing to him later this season.  
  • Texas' boosters spent a LOT of cash to get Manning to be a Longhorn.  Those boosters also effectively pay Sark's salary.  They aren't going to be happy if Sark's actions torpedo a player that they spent a boatload of cash to bring to Austin so effectively, Sark's bosses aren't going to let him suspend a kid no matter what.  
The only workable solution to this is to take player discipline away from individual schools/coaches and put it in the hands of a competent governing body.  

 

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