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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #294 on: September 12, 2023, 08:34:44 AM »
Folks do find polls interesting.  They complain about them, of course, they think their team should be 11th instead of that ridiculous 14th.  It's another aspect of entertainment.  I don't even know where UGA is ranked.


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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #295 on: September 12, 2023, 08:36:48 AM »
I don't know when they started but I see ESPN now ranks baseball teams (MLB).  It gets amusing when some team barely makes the playoffs as a WC and then "gets hot" and runs the table and they sorta have to move them from 8th to first when clearly they are not that great.

But they are the playoff champions ... of the world.

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« Reply #296 on: September 12, 2023, 09:54:33 AM »
I don't know when they started but I see ESPN now ranks baseball teams (MLB).  It gets amusing when some team barely makes the playoffs as a WC and then "gets hot" and runs the table and they sorta have to move them from 8th to first when clearly they are not that great.

But they are the playoff champions ... of the world.
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #297 on: September 12, 2023, 10:12:36 AM »
Well, I get his "point" (which is obvious, and could be stated more clearly and obviously of course).  Any playoff generates a playoff champion, nothing more, except money of course.  Statistically, a playoff champion will not be the "best team" if the playoff incorporates more than four teams.

Even at four, it's only close to 50-50.

Vegas is pretty good at setting odds, one way to select playoff participants is to have "them" lay odds on hypothetical games and choose that way.  Last year for example, Alabama would be heavily favored over TCU.  The four best teams were probably the three chosen and Bama.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #298 on: September 12, 2023, 11:10:25 AM »
As I've gotten older, I've grown more fascinated with the fact that they don't count and many people just cannot ignore them in a real way.
Oh, but they do count.  In the old days (BCS era and before) they definitely counted, and USC/LSU and Neb/Mich can attest that they counted.  Hell, UCF still counts theirs.  

What I'm getting at is we should place less emphasis on the polls.  When they preview a game, it should only be something like 2-0 Alabama vs 2-0 Texas, or 4-2 Auburn vs 6-0 LSU.  The media should do away with presenting the polls as some kind of rock of Gibraltar stereotype.  I realize that it is asking a lot, but if we're truly going to go to a 12 team playoff, or more, what real reason do the polls serve?  

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #299 on: September 12, 2023, 11:38:24 AM »
Polls serve to entertaing, garner clicks, and make money.  They won't go away.

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« Reply #300 on: September 12, 2023, 11:44:41 AM »
Oh, but they do count.  In the old days (BCS era and before) they definitely counted, and USC/LSU and Neb/Mich can attest that they counted.  Hell, UCF still counts theirs. 

What I'm getting at is we should place less emphasis on the polls.  When they preview a game, it should only be something like 2-0 Alabama vs 2-0 Texas, or 4-2 Auburn vs 6-0 LSU.  The media should do away with presenting the polls as some kind of rock of Gibraltar stereotype.  I realize that it is asking a lot, but if we're truly going to go to a 12 team playoff, or more, what real reason do the polls serve? 
The AP poll hasn’t counted since 2004. The BCS died a decade ago. No poll even put UCF No. 1. Even the CFP rankings are just silly filler. Every poll that has come out since 2014 is functionally for funzies (for us)


But you’re talking about the media doing away with presenting them in such a way. First, I don’t think it’s presented has hard and fast. It’s just for hype. And that’s the issue. The polls exist for two main reasons: they allow channels to hype games and people really, really consume them. So the producers keep making them. The only way to make that stop is to stop demanding polls by caring about them. If everyone gave them an “oh, that’s nice, whatever,” they’d start drying up and fading away.

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #301 on: September 12, 2023, 11:45:47 AM »
I don't know when they started but I see ESPN now ranks baseball teams (MLB).  It gets amusing when some team barely makes the playoffs as a WC and then "gets hot" and runs the table and they sorta have to move them from 8th to first when clearly they are not that great.

But they are the playoff champions ... of the world.
They’ve done that for a long, long time. At least as power ratings. 

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #302 on: September 12, 2023, 12:00:34 PM »
I think the "Average Fan" likes rankings (I should start a thread about stupid rankings...).  Fans of teams that received votes but didn't make 25 are looking up hoping X Y and Z lose and they beat Q badly enough to slide up to 18, or 21.  Then there is the claim your team ended ranked 18 of the last 20 seasons, or beat 3 ranked (at the time) teams that season.  The last one is absurd of course.  "Hey, we beat 5 ranked teams (3 of which ended up with losing records and another ended up 7-5)."


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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #303 on: September 12, 2023, 01:33:44 PM »
youre starting to sound like OAM
You take that back
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #304 on: September 12, 2023, 04:14:29 PM »
The AP poll hasn’t counted since 2004. The BCS died a decade ago. No poll even put UCF No. 1. Even the CFP rankings are just silly filler. Every poll that has come out since 2014 is functionally for funzies (for us)


But you’re talking about the media doing away with presenting them in such a way. First, I don’t think it’s presented has hard and fast. It’s just for hype. And that’s the issue. The polls exist for two main reasons: they allow channels to hype games and people really, really consume them. So the producers keep making them. The only way to make that stop is to stop demanding polls by caring about them. If everyone gave them an “oh, that’s nice, whatever,” they’d start drying up and fading away.
There is more than one poll, and some put UCF at #1.  The polls may not count directly toward anything but don't tell me they have a huge indirect influence on the overall status quo WRT College Football, helmet teams, etc.  
The polls are kinda like paper money. On their own, they're worthless.  But because of social agreement between you and me and the US gov't we accept it for payment.  

We don't need the polls anymore, they serve no purpose other than tradition and CFB is about the only place they are even used.  

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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #305 on: September 12, 2023, 08:39:31 PM »
I don't know when they started but I see ESPN now ranks baseball teams (MLB).  
Oh god, there is nothing more stupid than MLB power ratings.....in September.
As if the 150 games doesn't provide it.  
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« Reply #306 on: September 12, 2023, 08:42:41 PM »
What other gems have you mined for the congregation today? He didn't suggest anything remotely close to that,are you taking peyote buttons and playing with ouija boards again? :cheer:
Great, 2 more of you are being oblivious.

Okay, the premise was that the 4 conf champs of the SEC, B1G, ACC, and XII get in the playoff.
2 of them are champions of very strong leagues and the other 2 are champions of weak leagues.
The 2 weak league champs had an easier path to the playoff than the strong league champs.

That is akin to their running 70m (easier) vs 100m (tougher).
Sorry, I have to spell out things for kids all day.  Doing it for adults in my free time isn't fun (honestly, not a shot at you, just a fact).
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Re: Rich get richer
« Reply #307 on: September 12, 2023, 09:03:56 PM »
Great, 2 more of you are being oblivious.

Okay, the premise was that the 4 conf champs of the SEC, B1G, ACC, and XII get in the playoff.
2 of them are champions of very strong leagues and the other 2 are champions of weak leagues.
The 2 weak league champs had an easier path to the playoff than the strong league champs.

That is akin to their running 70m (easier) vs 100m (tougher).
Sorry, I have to spell out things for kids all day.  Doing it for adults in my free time isn't fun (honestly, not a shot at you, just a fact).
The question was: why can't the teams in the strong leagues move to the weaker leagues, leading to four balanced leagues?

 

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