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Topic: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)

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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #140 on: January 02, 2025, 09:16:22 AM »
IMO that hit was incidental and not intended DB was coming in to stop receiver. It was certainly a bang-bang collision and there was helmet to helmet and the receiver was defenseless. It's really hard to avoid those collisions as players are naturally leaning forward with their head. What does a DB do? Stop and wait until the ball is caught then wrap up? Players have to be coached/taught to slide their helmets to the side instead of lead with it.
Well no shit. You just described 99% of targeting calls. 

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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #141 on: January 02, 2025, 09:27:27 AM »
I was blissfully unaware not knowing squat of this guy and damn he was exciting and a baller
hah, you should have watched Cam's game last week vs the Iowa State Clones
but, probably wasn't on ABC!!!
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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #142 on: January 02, 2025, 11:43:38 AM »
Well no shit. You just described 99% of targeting calls.
If it was no-shit obvious why wasn't it called - in the playoffs no less? As one poster on a Buckeye Board stated:

"I get the refs probably don't want to decide a game with a call, but damn guys, what do you think the non-call did?
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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #143 on: January 02, 2025, 11:53:31 AM »
Texas targeting call, explained: Why Longhorns weren't penalized for helmet-to-helmet hit in win vs. Arizona State | Sporting News
Texas targeting call, explained: Why Longhorns weren't penalized for helmet-to-helmet hit in win vs. Arizona State | Sporting News

Per the rulebook, a few examples of targeting are as follows:
  • Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
  • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
  • Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
  • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Taaffe's lid certainly made contact with Stovall's helmet. But the typical tenets of targeting — the launch, the crouch, the lowering of the head — weren't quite as easy to spot. That might've been the Longhorns' defensive back's saving grace.



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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #144 on: January 02, 2025, 12:14:27 PM »
or if you believe in conspiracies........

the refs protecting the higher seed SEC team

for ratings in the next round
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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2025, 12:16:50 PM »
If the refs are in ANY way associating with a desire for one team to win over the other, I would lose all interest in the sport.  I don't think they are, I could be wrong at times.

On any occasion where they are biased I'd say it was due to concerns for their safety and/or wallet.

They can call holding on nearly every play, and DPI on many plays, and too many men in the backfield pretty often.

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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #146 on: January 02, 2025, 12:18:29 PM »
they don't call holding on teams the Buckeyes are playing
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« Reply #147 on: January 02, 2025, 12:23:19 PM »
they don't call holding on teams the Buckeyes are playing
Wouldn't that be evidence of an anti-Buckeye strategy though? 

Which would be exactly counter to "protecting the money-making programs"?

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« Reply #148 on: January 02, 2025, 12:25:46 PM »
or if you believe in conspiracies........

the refs protecting the higher seed SEC team

for ratings in the next round
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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #149 on: January 02, 2025, 12:46:20 PM »
Texas targeting call, explained: Why Longhorns weren't penalized for helmet-to-helmet hit in win vs. Arizona State | Sporting News
Texas targeting call, explained: Why Longhorns weren't penalized for helmet-to-helmet hit in win vs. Arizona State | Sporting News

Per the rulebook, a few examples of targeting are as follows:
  • Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
  • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
  • Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
  • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Taaffe's lid certainly made contact with Stovall's helmet. But the typical tenets of targeting — the launch, the crouch, the lowering of the head — weren't quite as easy to spot. That might've been the Longhorns' defensive back's saving grace.



I know targeting isnt exact between levls of football, but those are guidelines to determine whether targeting occur.  At the high school level we are taught to look for certain "signs" to determine whether targeting occured.  One might be did the opponent launch, but a launch is not necessary for it to be targeting.  Biggest thing to look for is leading with the helmet, but again not necessary.  One thing that is required is that it was forceful.  

Personally I am guessing that the reason they didn't call targeting was it wasn't with the "crown" of the helmet.  Again I don't think it is necessary to call targeting but an indication of targeting.  I would love to hear an explanation by the official reviewer as to why it wasn't targeting.

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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #150 on: January 02, 2025, 01:12:15 PM »
The Buckeyes have the most fans in the country, I think, so they should get favorable calls.

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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #151 on: January 02, 2025, 01:40:45 PM »
I, for one, have very little sympathy for the Buckeyes
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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #152 on: January 02, 2025, 06:38:22 PM »
It wasn't targeting, B1G refs got it right, good on them.

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Re: Revenge Tour for the Law Firm of Franklin & Day (SOC Rd. 2)
« Reply #153 on: January 02, 2025, 06:42:19 PM »
Congrats to Texas and their fans @utee94 they earned that win.

Proud of the season ASU had and proud of the fight they displayed when it looked like this game could've gotten pretty ugly in the first quarter.

Absolutely no one, including the most homer of homer Sun Devils fans, thought we'd be here so I can't be too mad about today.
Your Sun Devils played an awesome game, I told you on the other thread that Skattebo terrified me.  Congrats on a great season, and best of luck next year.

 

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