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Topic: Rankings ... ugh

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847badgerfan

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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #1946 on: April 23, 2024, 11:50:21 AM »
Mine is a Fiduciary. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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« Reply #1947 on: April 23, 2024, 11:51:42 AM »
I figured as much.  Mine was as well.  I asked my "guy" what percentage of local money managers were, um, ethical, and he said "Maybe ten percent."

I enjoy doing it myself now.  I learned a lot from watching what they did and asking questions.

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« Reply #1948 on: April 23, 2024, 02:29:38 PM »
advantage of having a spouse in the investment game (well she is retired now) she handles all the investments and has done quite well for us.  Definitely a fiduciary because she and I both want to stay retired.

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« Reply #1949 on: April 23, 2024, 06:02:14 PM »
Yes, like any corporation they're tracking various business targets that they want to meet or exceed. They're a global company so I'm sure they're looking at markets where they're not doing as well as others, and trying to grow. They're looking at stable markets and trying to defend share and profitability. They're looking at emerging threats from different categories (as Badge points out, they diversify their brands for this reason) to ensure they don't shrink.

Business is really hard, because the instant you leave any opening, a competitor will fill it.

But it's certainly not this:

The hyperbole of this statement suggests that a runaway locomotive's inevitable end is a fiery crash. The Coca-Cola Company was founded in 1892.

It's a freight train, to be sure, but it's not a runaway.
Okay.  I didn't intend for the "runaway train" concept to include a fiery crash.  Just the opposite.  It's going to behave in a way to ensure perpetual forward movement.......they can't stop fuelling the train with coal, they can't fuel it with less coal, etc.  

Or maybe it's a trapeez artist on a tight rope that can never stop walking on the tight rope.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #1950 on: April 23, 2024, 06:05:12 PM »
So, it's clear a lot of companies don't keep growing and prospering like some runaway freight train.  It would be easier if they did.


I already cleared up the perpetual prospering in an earlier post.  The point is that these companies have to meet their checkpoints of growth or maintenance or market share or or or......or the sky falls.  Or they think it will and so then it does.  

Coca-Cola knows soda isn't a forever thing.  So what do they do?  Diversify into other drink options while buying up the good ones and bullying the smaller good ones so they can't get any shelf space in stores.  

They do what they have to to perpetually do what it is they need to perpetually do.  And that is what I meant in the first place.  
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« Reply #1951 on: April 23, 2024, 06:05:44 PM »
Your attempt at an analogy is just weird. 

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« Reply #1952 on: April 23, 2024, 06:11:28 PM »
You read everything I type with skewed glasses.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #1953 on: April 23, 2024, 07:02:52 PM »
I read it while laughing at the nonsense. 

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« Reply #1954 on: April 23, 2024, 07:39:50 PM »
Okay.  I didn't intend for the "runaway train" concept to include a fiery crash.  Just the opposite.  It's going to behave in a way to ensure perpetual forward movement.......they can't stop fuelling the train with coal, they can't fuel it with less coal, etc. 

Or maybe it's a trapeez artist on a tight rope that can never stop walking on the tight rope. 
Yeah, if a company stops performing, they stop being a company. See the points above us, talking about the companies that "used to be" in the DJIA. 

The moment you stop satisfying customers, somebody else will. 

Just like you have to keep breathing. You can't stop. You can't breathe less. You have to perpetually keep breathing. I'm not going to criticize you for your need to perpetually breathe. 

Coca-Cola knows soda isn't a forever thing.  So what do they do?  Diversify into other drink options while buying up the good ones and bullying the smaller good ones so they can't get any shelf space in stores. 
They adapt. They also introduce new soda products like Coca-Cola Zero Sugar. They realize that consumer tastes change, and they can't just keep shoveling the old product down our throats. Or we'll stop buying and then they go away. 

Remember that the way that all of these companies got to be the size they are? By creating a product that people will willingly buy from them. It's a bilateral transaction. Supply AND demand. 

Take out more "coercive" markets like health care (pay up or die) or gasoline (pay up or you can't go to work and you make no money and starve). This is a consumer product. Coca-Cola exists because they've spent over a century offering products that customers WANT to buy. They're not some rapacious robber baron exploiting a monopoly supplying a critically necessary good. It's freakin' soda. 

This is the free market. Adapt or die. And that's exactly as it should be. If you can't satisfy customers better than others, you shouldn't survive. 

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« Reply #1955 on: April 23, 2024, 08:46:29 PM »
Coca-Cola couldn't just gradually recede into 3rd place among sodas and continue on.  They'd be bought out by one of the others.  Stockholders would shit themselves and sell sell sell, turning the problem into a snowball rolling down a mountain.

As Cincy laughs, no one has posted anything here I didn't already know.  I appreciate the time taken of the posts, but I read it and just think "yeah."  

I simply foolishly imagine Coca-Cola-esque companies should be able to go from $260 billion worth to $200 billion worth and have it be perfectly okay.  Only $200 billion.  It's fine, we'll rebound - you know, confidence in the damn thing.
But if that happened (I assume it hasn't), the company would collapse (again, I assume).  Thus the tightrope analogy.  

Bubbly candy water.  
Must.  Keep.  Going.
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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #1956 on: April 23, 2024, 09:19:14 PM »
Whatever point you are trying to make is absurd. 

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« Reply #1957 on: April 23, 2024, 09:27:37 PM »

I simply foolishly imagine Coca-Cola-esque companies should be able to go from $260 billion worth to $200 billion worth and have it be perfectly okay.  Only $200 billion.  It's fine, we'll rebound - you know, confidence in the damn thing.
But if that happened (I assume it hasn't), the company would collapse (again, I assume).  Thus the tightrope analogy. 
A year ago, KO had a market cap off 277B. Then it dropped over a number of months to 221B. A 20% drop. It didn't collapse. 

What's your point again?

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« Reply #1958 on: April 24, 2024, 12:48:38 AM »
There's a point at which the shit would hit the fan, yes?
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« Reply #1959 on: April 24, 2024, 07:35:38 AM »
There's a point at which the shit would hit the fan, yes?
Since you knew everything anybody has posted here on the topic, you should know the kinds of things that happen when some company starts to deteriorate.

 

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