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« Reply #1904 on: April 20, 2024, 09:48:56 PM »
Some other all-time great pass defenses (all allowed a sub-85 passer rating)
I don't think most people understand how dominant a great pass D is.  The TD/INT ratio allowed can get insane.


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« Reply #1905 on: April 21, 2024, 06:37:41 AM »
How the American middle class has changed in the past five decades | Pew Research Center

If the term "percent" throws anyone off, think of it this way.

In 1971, there were 61 of 100 folks in the middle, 25 folks lower down, and 14 folks higher up.  Time went by, 20 years in fact, and we see:

50 folks in the middle, 29 lower down which would be an increase from 25, and 21 higher up, which would be a larger increase of 7.

Thus, the middle shrunk, but more of them went higher up than went lower down.

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« Reply #1906 on: April 21, 2024, 07:26:15 AM »
Everyone with quarterly share-holder meetings does. 
I don't know where to start with you. Really.
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« Reply #1907 on: April 21, 2024, 09:10:53 PM »
I don't know where to start with you. Really.
Everyone requiring perpetual growth, how's that?
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« Reply #1908 on: April 22, 2024, 09:47:56 AM »
Everyone requiring perpetual growth, how's that?
You realize that this "Wall Street requires perpetual growth" myth is, well, a myth, right? 

A huge portion of large public companies (~75% of the Fortune 500) pay a dividend. Which, to a large extent, means that investors in those companies expect the company to pay out a large portion of their quarterly profits directly to shareholders, rather than constantly reinvesting in growth. 

For those companies, the Street doesn't care ALL that much about growth much. They care about earnings (profit). Now, contraction can reduce earnings and growth can sometimes increase earnings, so growth may be good. But growth at the expense of earnings, i.e. buying market share through reducing prices, is bad. 

Think about it. If you buy shares of Coca-Cola (KO), do you expect them to grow revenues 20% every year? They already DOMINATE the market share for the categories they play in. They simply can't perpetually grow. Their stock price has hovered between $50 and $60 for the last 5 years. There's no "buy low / sell high" in there. So why buy KO? For predictable income--their annual dividend yield is ~3% so just by parking your money in KO you're getting a very predictable and safe 3% annual ROI. Because while they're not likely to grow much, they're also not likely to go out of business or stop making money. 

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« Reply #1909 on: April 22, 2024, 09:50:03 AM »
OAM delights in faulty hyperbolic over generalizations.  I presume he knows better.  Maybe.


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« Reply #1910 on: April 22, 2024, 10:01:22 AM »
Ha!
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« Reply #1911 on: April 22, 2024, 10:03:52 AM »
I think the average knowledge of the stock markets and investments in general may be pretty low, and often wrong.  I have some knowedge and experience, but I don't by any means claim to be an expert.

The most expensive stock is BRK-A which pays no dividend, one share costs over $600,000.  There is a reason for that.

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« Reply #1912 on: April 22, 2024, 10:12:17 AM »
I think the average knowledge of the stock markets and investments in general may be pretty low, and often wrong.  I have some knowedge and experience, but I don't by any means claim to be an expert.

The most expensive stock is BRK-A which pays no dividend, one share costs over $600,000.  There is a reason for that.
Well, yeah.

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« Reply #1913 on: April 22, 2024, 10:19:44 AM »
There is a reason it doesn't pay a dividend, when it clearly could.  

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« Reply #1914 on: April 22, 2024, 10:32:19 AM »
Re-investment is not a bad thing for a company like Berkshire.
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« Reply #1915 on: April 22, 2024, 10:33:34 AM »
I think the average knowledge of the stock markets and investments in general may be pretty low, and often wrong.  I have some knowedge and experience, but I don't by any means claim to be an expert.
Yeah, I'm by no means an expert. But this has been a frequent topic of conversation as my son is 16 and he's got some interest in it, and my 11 yo daughter is copying his interest as well. 

At the start the biggest thing was (and maybe still is with the 11 yo) getting them to understand that popular companies aren't always good stocks to own. (Sometimes they are, of course). But just Saturday we were in the car talking about it and my daughter was saying "Starbucks is probably a pretty good stock, they're everywhere". Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but that's not how you determine it. In the past they've brought up Disney, b/c obviously being kids, they're in the age (or used to be for the oldest) that they think it's a good company. But (as we all know given some of their issues as a conglomerate) that doesn't mean it's a good stock to own. There's a lot of risk regarding their future business plans. Tesla is another that my son brought up because he thinks the cars (absent the Cybertruck lol) are cool. But the company is valued as a tech company (high PE ratio), not an automaker (low PE, moderately decent dividend yield), and at some point that's going to be a problem for investors reconciling that IMHO. 

With every stock, you need to assess the state of the business it represents. You have to understand how they make money. You have to understand how you expect to make any return (share price appreciation, dividend, maybe both). And that includes obviously predicting things like growth/contraction, market share growth/contraction, what the other companies in the sector are doing, etc. 

Or you could just assume that everyone expects every stock must have perpetual growth and that capitalism, based on your lack of understanding, is fundamentally flawed as a result. 

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« Reply #1916 on: April 22, 2024, 10:38:44 AM »
I'm not an expert at all, which is why I pay one.

We're pretty heavy into tech and healthcare right now. Those are by far our top positions.

We will settle down a bit when I retire, into more conservative positions. 

Right now, the goal is to beat the S&P, which is happening, so we're pleased with our guy.
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« Reply #1917 on: April 22, 2024, 11:06:46 AM »
When I was younger, I figured all I needed to do was read up on this stock market thing.  And in truth, a couple books were very helpful, but they were not "get rick quick" kinds of things.  I watched "Wall Street Week" almost every Friday on PBS and noted how their "experts" disagreed with each other, drastically.  The host made fun of them.

Then a group at work and I went together to purchase "The Value Line", which was quite expensive.  After two years, hardly anyone but me read it at all.  It was in my office.  I don't know why they were chipping in.  I could get it at the library for free anyway.  VL is, or was, OK I think, and had a lot of information.  But you won't get rich with them either.

One item I got from John Templeton was to pay attention when shopping or doing personal business, which operations out there are doing a good job, or appear to be.  There aren't many of them in my experience.  But think about investing in them, it's a sign, usually, of good management.  I bought Costco for this reason a few years back even though they are trading at a premium.

 

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