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« Reply #840 on: August 06, 2023, 02:31:26 PM »
Mom use to can our own and ad fresh herbs when cooking - not me
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« Reply #841 on: August 06, 2023, 02:33:13 PM »
Ya Edwards is the guy that gives me the heeby-jeebies,inside/outside down field catches - tough to matchup. I'd spy him
something to consider- Donovan Edwards missed the UConn game and the Maryland game with a knee injury and only had 15 carries for 90 yards in the 2 OOC creampuff games to start the season he played in...he barely played vs Neb and missed the Illinois game bc of a hand injury- which means he did virtually all of his damage vs P5 teams despite dealing with a nagging knee injury and playing the last 3 games of the season with a cast on his broken right hand. He's right handed. Still averaged 7.5 YPC and racked up 991 yards rushing- with the bulk of that coming in games vs OSU/PSU/Purdue (B1G West champ)/TCU. Not exactly like he was padding stats vs creampuffs.

He is being criminally slept on right now- kid is 100% healthy- no knee issue and no cast on his right hand- and he's about to destroy the B1G- and they'll actually be able to use him in the passing game where he is a ridiculous mismatch now that he's got two hands.

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« Reply #842 on: August 06, 2023, 08:57:22 PM »
I don't go for much red sauce anymore - heartburn

but I've always liked the Bertolli’s products
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« Reply #843 on: August 06, 2023, 09:51:29 PM »
May be an image of football and text that says 'TOP 30 GREATEST CFB PLAYERS OF ALL TIME PER BLEACHER REPORT HERSCHEL OJ SIMPSON HInTATE GRIFFIN RICKY WILLIAMS TONY DORSETT BO JACKSON TAI ORLANDO PACE GLENN DAVIS DAVE RANDY MOSS RON DAYNE CHARLES WOODSON ROZIER ERNIE DAVIS JOHN ELWAY COLT McCOY 21 22 23 HUGH GREEN O0 BARRY SANDERS DICK BUTKUS பாTATE HOWARD CASSADY MARCUS ALLEN TEBOW VINCE YOUNG TOMMY NOBIS DEION SANDERS EARL CAMPBELL ROGER STAUBACH MARSHALL 26 27'
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« Reply #844 on: August 07, 2023, 12:15:40 AM »
Charles Woodson at #25 is way too low. If we're talking college only, he should be above Deion and 10000% ahead of Randy Moss. Moss shouldn't even be on the list...

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« Reply #845 on: August 07, 2023, 07:06:48 AM »
Tommy Nobis is way underrated,he was right there with Butkus even quicker going sideline-sideline. And IMHO Horns wins it's 2nd NC under Mack if McCoy isn't hurt vs Bama
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« Reply #846 on: August 07, 2023, 04:22:48 PM »
May be an image of 1 person, playing football and text that says 'NCAA ALERTS ncaaalerts DAWGS 2 C W 5 TOP 10 QUARTERBACKS FOR NEXT SEASON CALEB WILLIAMS 4,537 YARDS/42 TD/5 INT DRAKE MAYE 4,321 YARDS/38 TD/7 INT 3 w 4,641 YARDS/31 TD/8 INT MICHAEL PENIX BO NIX 3,593 YARDS/29 TD/7 INT SAM HARTMAN 3,701 YARDS/38 D/12 INT QUINN EWERS 2,177 YARDS/15 TD/6 INT JORDAN TRAVIS 3,214 YARDS/24 D/5 INT CAM RISING 3,034 YARDS/26 TD/8 INT GRAYSON MCCALL 2,700 YARDS/24 TD/2 INT JALON DANIELS 2,014 YARDS/18 TD/4 INT 7 U 9 adidas'
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« Reply #847 on: August 07, 2023, 04:25:26 PM »
May be an image of 1 person, playing football and text that says 'NCAA ALERTS ncaaalerts DAWGS 2 C W 5 TOP 10 QUARTERBACKS FOR NEXT SEASON CALEB WILLIAMS 4,537 YARDS/42 TD/5 INT DRAKE MAYE 4,321 YARDS/38 TD/7 INT 3 w 4,641 YARDS/31 TD/8 INT MICHAEL PENIX BO NIX 3,593 YARDS/29 TD/7 INT SAM HARTMAN 3,701 YARDS/38 D/12 INT QUINN EWERS 2,177 YARDS/15 TD/6 INT JORDAN TRAVIS 3,214 YARDS/24 D/5 INT CAM RISING 3,034 YARDS/26 TD/8 INT GRAYSON MCCALL 2,700 YARDS/24 TD/2 INT JALON DANIELS 2,014 YARDS/18 TD/4 INT 7 U 9 adidas'
JJ had better stats in his first year starting than 3 of those guys and outside of Caleb Williams not sure any one of those guys is more physically gifted than him in terms of size/athletic ability + arm talent. 

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« Reply #848 on: August 07, 2023, 04:51:11 PM »
maybe he thinks the O-coordinator will just run the ball off tackle too much?
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« Reply #849 on: August 07, 2023, 05:11:11 PM »
maybe he thinks the O-coordinator will just run the ball off tackle too much?
could be. 

I want to say I heard/read that JJ was the #1 rated passer in CFB last year on play-action passes and the #1 rated passer throwing on the run. From the pocket? He was only #55th rated passer. Middle of the pack. A lot of his from the pocket struggles were JJ holding onto the ball too long, being late with reads/processing, sloppy with his drops and footwork. All things a young QB can fix with experience/reps/practice/discipline. 

JJ had some serious high level WOW moments in his first year starting. Other moments that were meh...and others that were disastrously bad (late pick 6's vs TCU). It's not a situation like Cade McNamara or other QBs that Jeem had where they just didn't have the talent or ability. JJ got shitloads of talent. Just has to get better, and he's got plenty of room for improvement. 

Things to consider: JJ was only a true soph and in his first year starting. JJ did not get #1 reps in bowl practices as a true frosh- which would've been a big boost to a young players development. JJ also missed all of '22 spring ball (highly valuable to young QB trying to develop and build rapport with his WRs/TEs) because of a shoulder injury, and then in '22 fall camp he was splitting #1 reps with the incumbent starter Cade McNamara. Again....something NOT conducive to a young, green QB trying to get better and build rapport with his WRs/TEs. 

Fast forward to JJ had an entire bowl practice getting the #1 reps. JJ was healthy this spring ball and got all those reps, and JJ will go through fall camp not having to split reps- he's going to get all the #1 reps. He SHOULD be able to improve his reads/processing time and build more rapport and timing with his WRs/TEs. I'll be pretty shocked if he doesn't make a considerable jump this year. 

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« Reply #850 on: August 08, 2023, 11:47:54 AM »
We're amidst of course the preseason "polls" or rankings, whatever, and it's notable how much they coincide.  Why have so many if they all say about the same thing?  And somebody will do something weird to get clicks.

The Top Four will all be UGA/UM/OSU/Bama, the PSU/LSU/USC/Clemson in some order and then it gets more fuzzy.  And in this day of committees and playoffs, it of course has no meaning beyond perhaps noticing that someone has Ole Miss and Oregon State ranked.  

The other amusing thing is the comments section where fans of X will claim they are underranked or being disrespected.  

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« Reply #851 on: August 08, 2023, 01:47:21 PM »
Tommy Nobis is way underrated,he was right there with Butkus even quicker going sideline-sideline. And IMHO Horns wins it's 2nd NC under Mack if McCoy isn't hurt vs Bama
Butkus was a 2-time AA in college, at CENTER. He also played linebacker.

He was lineman of the year in 1964.
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« Reply #852 on: August 08, 2023, 01:56:26 PM »
One thing I try and do with "all time greats" is just appreciate them for how they played and not worry overly about whether A should be ranked ahead of B.  I personally think that takes the enjoyment out of it and generates arguments for no reason.  Nobis was great, Butkus was great, etc.

I had some fun conversations with some exMLB pitchers about how to pitch to Tony Gwynn, one theory was throw a fastball down the middle.  They said you could throw a perfect pitch to him and he'd slap it into left field.

I saw a photo of him sitting with Ted Williams at some all star game a while back chatting.

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« Reply #853 on: August 08, 2023, 01:58:32 PM »
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