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« Reply #658 on: July 16, 2023, 10:05:00 PM »
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« Reply #659 on: July 16, 2023, 10:10:11 PM »
even the fight is bigger
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« Reply #660 on: July 17, 2023, 08:22:37 AM »
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« Reply #661 on: July 17, 2023, 08:39:48 AM »
Fuddruckers and In&out I'm familiar with

Culvers is the only one within 90 miles

Haven't been to Culvers in 20 years - since my daughters were young
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« Reply #662 on: July 17, 2023, 10:32:35 AM »
247Sports' Preseason All-SEC coaching staff
247Sports' Preseason All-SEC coaching staff

I don't really get it, ranking position coaches etc.  Folks rank HCs basically in terms of winning (duh).  Saban has won at two places, Meyer won at 4 or 5.  I see that as a real thing.  But put any of these great coaches at say Kansas State and see how they fare?  The current KSU coach might be the best of the lot?

How about a guy who is impressive at "Boise State" and moves somewhere else and is mediocre?
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« Reply #663 on: July 17, 2023, 10:35:10 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 17, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
247Sports' Preseason All-SEC coaching staff
247Sports' Preseason All-SEC coaching staff

I don't really get it, ranking position coaches etc.  Folks rank HCs basically in terms of winning (duh).  Saban has won at two places, Meyer won at 4 or 5.  I see that as a real thing.  But put any of these great coaches at say Kansas State and see how they fare?  The current KSU coach might be the best of the lot?

How about a guy who is impressive at "Boise State" and moves somewhere else and is mediocre?
Like all of them?
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« Reply #664 on: July 17, 2023, 10:50:30 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 17, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
247Sports' Preseason All-SEC coaching staff
247Sports' Preseason All-SEC coaching staff

I don't really get it, ranking position coaches etc.  Folks rank HCs basically in terms of winning (duh).  Saban has won at two places, Meyer won at 4 or 5.  I see that as a real thing.  But put any of these great coaches at say Kansas State and see how they fare?  The current KSU coach might be the best of the lot?

How about a guy who is impressive at "Boise State" and moves somewhere else and is mediocre?
From the article, it looks like they've got something akin to a WAR model. Quantify various stats important to performance for a specific coaches "unit", whether that's DBs, the offense as a whole, or the entire team if HC. 

I.e. for DBs it might be passes defended, opposing QB completion percentage, interceptions, etc. For an OC it might be yards per play, points scored, other stats, etc. 

Factor in the talent level that the coach is working with, likely based purely on recruiting rankings. That allows you to see what coaches have units "overperforming" their talent level vs "underperforming".

Compare performance from unit to unit while normalizing based on talent, and you have a ranking. 

Is any of it really valid or true? Who knows? But it seems like what they're doing is objective and quantifiable, so it's a lot more than just an eye test. 
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« Reply #665 on: July 17, 2023, 11:18:40 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 17, 2023, 08:39:48 AM
Fuddruckers and In&out I'm familiar with

Culvers is the only one within 90 miles

Haven't been to Culvers in 20 years - since my daughters were young
From that list, I've been to Shake Shack, Culver's, In N Out, and Fuddruckers.  The first 3 are fine for fast food burgers, but the only one I'd call out as having noticeably better meat, is Fuddruckers.  That was a darn fine chain, but more of a fast casual sit down place, than true fast food like the other three.  So it's pretty much apples and oranges.

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« Reply #666 on: July 17, 2023, 11:52:13 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 17, 2023, 10:50:30 AM
Is any of it really valid or true? Who knows? But it seems like what they're doing is objective and quantifiable, so it's a lot more than just an eye test.
That could be of course, but the assistants, if they do well, seem to move (up) and not stay very long at a place.
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« Reply #667 on: July 17, 2023, 12:03:56 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 17, 2023, 11:52:13 AM
That could be of course, but the assistants, if they do well, seem to move (up) and not stay very long at a place.
In the article they do state that a coach must have at least 4 seasons coaching that specific unit to be graded. Not 4 years at the same school, mind you, just 4 years at that position. 

I think you're overstating the degree to which coaches "move up". There are a lot fewer OC jobs available than OL/WR/RB/QB jobs. There are half as many HC jobs as OC/DC jobs combined. While there are a lot of notable coaches that "move up", there are also a lot of HCs who simply move from school to school in the same position, a lot of OC/DCs who just move from school to school in the same position, and a lot of position unit coaches who simply move from school to school in the same position. I'm guessing the "move up" coaches are the outliers, not the "stay doing the same thing" coaches. 
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« Reply #668 on: July 17, 2023, 12:19:53 PM »
You probably are right, there also are HCs who step back to being OC/DCs, UGA has two of them now.   I recall some years when half the SEC had first year coaches, or so it seemed.  Then many get fired in 3-4-5 years.
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« Reply #669 on: July 17, 2023, 12:50:21 PM »
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« Reply #670 on: July 17, 2023, 04:44:41 PM »
idk where else to put this, but you can committ 200+ violations, including 18 majors, without a bowl ban.

So just go to town, I guess.
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« Reply #671 on: July 17, 2023, 08:18:26 PM »
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