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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #588 on: May 27, 2024, 09:56:58 PM »
Figured the end was near once i learned (earlier this season) my 15 year old daughter was in on the joke(s) re: Angel Hernandez.

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« Reply #589 on: May 27, 2024, 10:08:18 PM »
Acura out knee ACL.
That sucks.  Him and Julio are my favorite players to watch

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« Reply #590 on: May 27, 2024, 10:22:12 PM »
Figured the end was near once i learned (earlier this season) my 15 year old daughter was in on the joke(s) re: Angel Hernandez.
Aside from Ed Hocuili (sp?) due to the gun show, nobody knows the name of any ref/ump for how good they are at their job

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« Reply #591 on: May 28, 2024, 12:03:35 AM »
Baseball fans have started noting when an umpire has a near perfect game - no missed ball or strike calls.  That's something, at least.
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« Reply #592 on: May 28, 2024, 08:33:35 AM »
Aside from Ed Hocuili (sp?) due to the gun show, nobody knows the name of any ref/ump for how good they are at their job
not for job performance but, most Husker fans know former Husker quarterback and NFL referee, Clete Blakeman
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« Reply #593 on: May 28, 2024, 08:47:15 AM »
If an umpire becomes "in"famous, it's hardly ever for a good reason.

I missed where Angel retired...

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« Reply #594 on: May 28, 2024, 10:52:03 PM »
Former Nebraska baseball star Spencer Schwellenbach is heading to the major leagues after the Atlanta Braves called him up Tuesday.

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« Reply #595 on: May 29, 2024, 07:25:48 AM »
Oddly enough, the won the WS last time he was out for the season (which doesn't mean anything this time as they are really struggling this year to score after scoring at will most of last season).  

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« Reply #596 on: May 29, 2024, 08:06:09 AM »
NEWS: MLB will integrate Negro League records into its statistical database on Wednesday.

With that change, Josh Gibson will replace Ty Cobb as baseball's all-time batting leader in the official records.


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« Reply #597 on: May 29, 2024, 06:54:28 PM »
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« Reply #599 on: May 29, 2024, 07:50:40 PM »
NEWS: MLB will integrate Negro League records into its statistical database on Wednesday.

With that change, Josh Gibson will replace Ty Cobb as baseball's all-time batting leader in the official records.



I thought they had done this a few years ago, but they had simply classified the Negro Leagues as MLB equivalent.  Turns out they've been spending the last few years getting stats and validating things.

As a stat nerd, I have no problem with this, it's better to include them than not.  None of them had much volume in official games, as most of their numbers came in unofficial games, barnstorming, etc., and MLB didn't include that.

I get it.  It's a good thing.  I'm on board.
BUT
there's one radical statistical discrepancy with the Negro League data:  strikeouts
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Joe Sewell and Tris Speaker were 1st and 2nd all-time in walks per strikeout, with about 7 and 6, respectively. 
Now, they're 71st and 74th. 

Here are some BB & K numbers:
Josh Gibson:  359 & 11
Most everyone would agree Gibson was probably one of the best baseball players of all-time.  But 11 Ks and 359 walks?  C'mon, man.

Turkey Stearns with 424 walks to 5 strikeouts?  Stop. 
Willie Keeler, of the Dodgers, had a lifetime 524 and 36.  That's insane enough.  But it's dwarfed by some of the Negro League guys. 

I believe the walk totals, but the strikeouts are a joke.

Stearns with 5 Ks in 3837 ABs is obviously skewed.  But instead of just saying "we couldn't find valid data," they included it and said it's fine. 
I'd rather they just have left it blank.
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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #600 on: May 29, 2024, 09:20:11 PM »

I sold a lot of bags of peanuts in those sections

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Re: ~2024 MLB Thread~
« Reply #601 on: May 29, 2024, 10:30:31 PM »
I thought they had done this a few years ago, but they had simply classified the Negro Leagues as MLB equivalent.  Turns out they've been spending the last few years getting stats and validating things.

As a stat nerd, I have no problem with this, it's better to include them than not.  None of them had much volume in official games, as most of their numbers came in unofficial games, barnstorming, etc., and MLB didn't include that.

I get it.  It's a good thing.  I'm on board.
BUT
there's one radical statistical discrepancy with the Negro League data:  strikeouts
.
Joe Sewell and Tris Speaker were 1st and 2nd all-time in walks per strikeout, with about 7 and 6, respectively. 
Now, they're 71st and 74th. 

Here are some BB & K numbers:
Josh Gibson:  359 & 11
Most everyone would agree Gibson was probably one of the best baseball players of all-time.  But 11 Ks and 359 walks?  C'mon, man.

Turkey Stearns with 424 walks to 5 strikeouts?  Stop. 
Willie Keeler, of the Dodgers, had a lifetime 524 and 36.  That's insane enough.  But it's dwarfed by some of the Negro League guys. 

I believe the walk totals, but the strikeouts are a joke.

Stearns with 5 Ks in 3837 ABs is obviously skewed.  But instead of just saying "we couldn't find valid data," they included it and said it's fine. 
I'd rather they just have left it blank.
The Effectively Wild podcast did a deep dive on this, and they specified some of the weird anomalies.  And how they were overly aggressive with invalidating games.  I think everyone agrees that these stats should count, but its clear they werent tallying everything correctly, even if the games were verified.  The mentioned that they consistently didnt count RBI or runs scored for the HR hitter, so they needed individual boxscores to adjust.

There is a mom who runs the digital scorecard for my sons club team, and Im offended looking at it.  He plays SS and CF, and doesnt pitch, so he only benefits from it, but its become a running joke.  I ran it one game, and got attacked by other dads, for saying that it was a single, advancing on the throw, with a one base error on an overthrow, not a triple.

 

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