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Cincydawg

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2023, 04:22:13 PM »
FGs have always made me nervous if they outnumber TDs.

UGA 16  UK 6

OK, the weather was not great and I could see Smart limiting the offense because it was pretty clear UK wasn't going to score again.

UGA 26  Mizzou 22  Four FGs in a row for the Dawgs and down 22-12 in the fourth, not looking good at all.  

"Lucky" to pull that one out, I think Mizzou tired.

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2023, 12:20:41 AM »
I know this is only anecdotal but how many games can you think of where kicking a bunch of FG's ended well?

For my team, I can think of one, mid-2000's Marshall
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It was NCST in 2004 (The Buckeyes played Marshall the following week so I was pretty close). Anyway, against NCST in 2004 the Buckeyes scored one TD and kicked five FG's and won 22-14. It wasn't really THAT close. NCST's first TD was mid-way through the third quarter and made it 16-7 so still a two-score game. Their second TD came with <2 minutes left to make it a one-score game at 22-14 but they'd have needed an onside kick, a TD, and a 2pt conversion just to get to OT.

The other way? I can think of a bunch of games where Ohio State was dominating (at least between the 20's) but being held to FG's and ended up losing because their FG's didn't add up to an insurmountable lead like TD's would have.
The big example I recall was the 1990 NFC Championship game.  The Giants beat the 49ers 15-14 on 5 Matt Bahr FGs.  Those were 2 reeeeeally good teams.
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For Florida, the obvious example is the 1992 Sugar Bowl vs ND.  The Jerome Bettis game. 
Florida was ranked 3rd and had a shot at the NC if both Miami and Warshington lost.  Our kicker's name was Arden Czcyldkadfhalf (Sheh-chef-ski).  He had the 1-bar facemask and was pretty good.  Spurrier's offense passed up and down the field on ND, but had to keep kicking FGs.  I think he kicked 6 if I'm not mistaken. 
Anyway, Florida doesn't pull away and in the 4th quarter, Bettis takes two long TD runs right up the middle, untouched and the Gators lose.
It was so stupid.  We should have been up by 20 points at halftime.  But those damn FGs.








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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2023, 06:40:20 AM »
For shits and giggles I looked this up.  There have been 13 games in WVU history where the Mountaineers have kicked 4 FG or more and they are 12-1 in those games.  Some are pretty good wins in the school’s history.  A 26-6  win over Florida in the 1981 Peach Bowl that was really Nehlen’s first notable win here.  A 19-18 win over a top 20 Maryland team with Boomer Esiason where WVU stopped a 2 point conversion very late that would have won the game. And then in 2009 beating a top 10 Pitt team 19-16 with the 4th and final FG coming at the gun.

The one time I can remember an opponent kicking a bunch of FG to beat WVU was Miami in 2003.  They kicked 5 FG to win 22-20 with the last one coming as time expired.  Still one of the 5 most gutting losses I’ve experienced as a fan.

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2023, 06:54:53 AM »
It can be done, and 3 obviously is better than 0.  But it's a relative win for the defense, I think.  It's interesting how a TD is usually 7 points, more than twice the value of a FG.  I think this adds a lot to the game.  A team gets how many possessions in a typical game, call it 12.  A FG on every possession is usually enough to win a game.

The worst case of course is what LSU did this past season, have one blocked and returned for a TD.


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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2023, 07:44:19 AM »
Coach Osborne didn't care much for FGs

Especially 4th and less than 5, he'd just run the damn ball in that territory and play defense

Of course, most times it was vs an over matched opponent

Also, Osborne didn't have great kickers and therefore, not much faith

Great story about a friend of mine, Dale Klein, from Seward, NE. He lived in the same dorm and my roommate was from Seward.

Dale started the 85 season missing his first 3 FGs.  Klein, a Husker walk-on kicker whose name is still in the NCAA record book, That day in Columbia, Mo., he was 7 for 7, helping the Huskers escape with a 28-20 victory over Missouri.

Scoring 22 points with an NCAA- record seven field goals and an extra point. Quite a day for junior who wasn't sure he was the Huskers' No. 1 kicker the weekend before and ended up kicking more field goals in one afternoon against Mizzou than the six career field goals he'd kicked leading up to that game.

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Interestingly, even though Klein got the biggest headlines for that Oct. 19, 1985, kickers were getting mentioned all day long on national telecasts. Texas kicker Jeff Ward, for instance, scored all of his team's points that day after kicking five field goals to lift the Longhorns over No. 4 Arkansas, 15-13, in Fayetteville. In an even bigger game, Rob Houghtlin also accounted for all of his team's points when No. 1 Iowa beat No. 2 Michigan, 12-10, in Iowa City.
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2023, 09:16:57 AM »
The Iowa win over Michigan in 85 is one that still stands out in my mind as a kid.  Don’t exactly know why but I can remember watching that one.

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2023, 09:25:43 AM »
Should we infer anything from this about Oklahoma?

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« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2023, 09:35:36 AM »
nope

pretty easy to rack up a few losses vs that competition
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2023, 09:36:49 AM »
I concur, and they "almost" beat UGA of course.  They've been mostly competitive.

I still can't figure out the TCU thing.

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« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2023, 09:38:45 AM »
even a blind horned frog finds an acorn once in a while
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2023, 10:15:07 AM »
Should we infer anything from this about Oklahoma?

I'd infer the 'ol "defense wins championships".

Drive for show, putt for dough.

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2023, 10:26:07 AM »
The weirdest one off the top of my head was 2008 vs. Wisconsin.  MSU kicked 4 field goals and won 25-24.  They were outrushed like 300-20, and turnovers were tied.  But MSU had like a 100 yard edge in penalty yardage, including one that wiped out a long Wisconsin TD run, and a Bielema meltdown that gave MSU 15 free yards to put them near FG range at the end.

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« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2023, 10:32:35 AM »
The weirdest one off the top of my head was 2008 vs. Wisconsin.  MSU kicked 4 field goals and won 25-24.  They were outrushed like 300-20, and turnovers were tied.  But MSU had like a 100 yard edge in penalty yardage, including one that wiped out a long Wisconsin TD run, and a Bielema meltdown that gave MSU 15 free yards to put them near FG range at the end.
Looks like MSU has kicked 4+ FG in a game 22 times.  3 times they have kicked 5.

One was in a 36-0 win over Wisconsin in 1988.  The other two times, both happened in 1998.  One was a 29-5 (scoragami?) win over Northwestern.  The other?


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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2023, 10:43:59 AM »
The other?

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