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Cincydawg

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2025, 11:02:25 AM »
I find it uncomfortable outside when the dew point exceeds about 72°F.  Below that it's "OK", in the shade with a breeze.  I've been in Vegas in August, this "dry heat" notion is silly at that T.
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2025, 11:06:08 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 16, 2025, 10:54:51 AM
In Atlanta, some street names still change as they go from north (a white area) to south (black areas), 
Totally off topic but do they change from Peach something to Peach something else?  

What I remember from my experience driving around Atlanta was that navigation was exceedingly difficult for me because it seemed like every other cross-road had a name that was a derivative of "Peach":
 
Peach St
Peach Rd
Peach Boulevard
Peach Parkway
Peachtree St
Peachblossom
Peachfruit
Peachorchard

Some of those might be made up but it sure seemed like they were probably in there somewhere.  
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2025, 11:12:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 16, 2025, 11:02:25 AM
I find it uncomfortable outside when the dew point exceeds about 72°F.  Below that it's "OK", in the shade with a breeze.  I've been in Vegas in August, this "dry heat" notion is silly at that T.
I think I'm on the same page.  A guy I graduated with lived in Tucson for a while and was always saying "It's a dry heat".  I think that has some validity but only to a point.  Ie, I've been in Vegas and Tucson when it was 90-95 and I found that 90-95 and dry wasn't all that bad.  I'd definitely take that over about 10-15 degrees cooler with high humidity.  However, when it gets much over 100 it is just freaking hot and I don't care how dry it is, it is miserable to me.  

A few years ago I was driving I10 and it got up around 120 and getting out of the car was just an awful experience.  I'll take snowy midwestern winters over facing that without hesitation because, as @jgvol said above no matter how cold it gets you, if you keep putting on more clothes eventually you'll be warm but that doesn't work the other way around.  
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2025, 11:25:36 AM »
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #60 on: June 16, 2025, 11:33:08 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 16, 2025, 10:52:49 AM
Of course YOU would point that out, being from Chicago. 

Chicago is, of course, a major transportation hub because railways from the NE to the West Coast nearly all run through it so that ends up being the warehousing/logistics center where everything gets sorted and sent out.  As such, Chicago's growth was stupendous in the early days of Rail.  Back on the first page of this thread I showed Illinois' population passing Ohio's in the 1890 census.  This was almost completely due to Chicago's rapid growth:
Yeah, funny story. When my mom was young (LONG before I was born), she took a trip to Texas. One of the things that she was excited about was the prospect of eating steak in Texas. The steak HAS to be good, and fresh, because that's where the cows come from, right? 

Nope. Chicago at the time was basically the country's slaughterhouse. Cattle from Texas [and elsewhere] was coming in via rail into Chicago and slaughtered. Which means that Chicago may have had the freshest beef in the nation. Now, it's certainly possible that some cattle would be slaughtered in Texas for Texas' consumption, but it's ALSO possible that a good portion of the beef for sale in Texas might have been from cows shipped by rail to Chicago, and then beef subprimals shipped by rail BACK to Texas... Depending where you bought your steak. So it's highly possible that beef you'd get in Chicago would actually be MORE fresh than the beef you'd buy in Texas, despite that being where the cattle were raised. 
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #61 on: June 16, 2025, 11:38:02 AM »
Even today, Chicago is a great place to go for a steak (and pork chops).

We eat more fish than beef here. A lot more, actually.

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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #62 on: June 16, 2025, 11:40:15 AM »
I don't think Medina would like it here much. 93 with a feel of 102.



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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #63 on: June 16, 2025, 11:45:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 16, 2025, 11:40:15 AM
I don't think Medina would like it here much. 93 with a feel of 102.
Ugh, I wouldn't. 

A lot of this, even for others, is dependent upon a/c and what you are doing. 

93, feeling 102 is fine if you are retired (more-or-less), lounging around, have a pool in your backyard, and have an air conditioned house. 

How would you like it with no a/c, no pool, and needing to do outdoor civil engineering?
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #64 on: June 16, 2025, 11:46:40 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 16, 2025, 10:59:52 AM
Seriously? 

Reading through here I realize that I have either a lot less heat-tolerance or a lot more cold-tolerance than the average poster here but even taking that into account this statement strikes me as ludicrous.  50 degrees isn't uncomfortably cold.  There isn't snow nor ice.  You don't need boots and @betarhoalphadelta can still throw away his plastic scraper.  You just need a sweater.  112, to me, is unbearably hot.  I guess there is SOME consideration for what you are doing.  If you are lounging in a pool then 112 isn't quite so unbearably hot (still WAY too hot for me but I'm realizing I'm an outlier here) but if you have to do some work outside like say mowing the lawn I can't believe that anyone would seriously choose 112 degree scorching heat over a cool 50 degree day.  Am I wrong here? 
I think it's different strokes for different folks... Despite what I've said about not wanting to go back to live someplace cold, I'd still take that over Vegas or Phoenix. There's a part of me that wants to move to Austin (job market + social climate + reduced CoL), but doesn't want to deal with that heat. I could probably stomach it, but only if I had a pool. 

I definitely fit better in the cold. When I take the dog for an early morning winter walk, it's only a t-shirt and athletic shorts no matter what time of year. If it's below 50, I'll take a very light windbreaker. When I play golf, on the COLDEST winter tee off mornings I'll wear a little 1/4-zip pullover on top of my polo. But I usually get warm and take it off by the 2nd hole--or the 1st hole fairway on the course where I walk it...

Ideal for me is 65 degrees, and sunny. I start getting a little warm even when it's mid-high 70s if I'm in the sun; although that's perfectly fine in the shade. I'd absolutely take 50 degrees over 112. 
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2025, 12:02:44 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 16, 2025, 11:46:40 AM
I think it's different strokes for different folks... 
It definitely is but I think there are some broad generalities that all or at least nearly all of us would agree on.  

I'll state for the record that even I agree that yes, midwestern winters are a pain.  That said, they have actually become much LESS of a pain within not only my lifetime but within the last twenty years or so.  This may sound minor, but the widespread adoption of remote-start has made winter MUCH less of a pain for me.  When I graduated from college and started working here I didn't have a garage so on snowy days I had to go outside early enough to clear the snow and ice off my car before I left.  Adding that delay to the delay of driving on snowy roads made my winter commute very long.  Today that isn't an issue.  Once in a while I'll be out somewhere and my car will get covered with snow.  I remote start it and when I get in it is warm and the snow is gone.  

On the other end, what I was getting at was this:
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 16, 2025, 11:46:40 AM
I'd absolutely take 50 degrees over 112.
As I said in response to @847badgerfan about 93 and feeling 102, to be fair I think this depends on what you are doing.  On vacation or retired with a/c and lounging in a pool 93 feeling 102 isn't too bad but if you want to do anything outside, 112 is brutal.  Mow the yard in 112?  No thanks.  Golf in 112?  No thanks.  

This is why @Riffraft 's comment that he'd take 112 over anything <50 shocked me.  
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2025, 12:09:16 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 16, 2025, 11:45:57 AM
Ugh, I wouldn't.

A lot of this, even for others, is dependent upon a/c and what you are doing.

93, feeling 102 is fine if you are retired (more-or-less), lounging around, have a pool in your backyard, and have an air conditioned house.

How would you like it with no a/c, no pool, and needing to do outdoor civil engineering?
There is a reason why I continue to resist my partners on starting an office here...
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #67 on: June 16, 2025, 12:11:00 PM »
A major problem with Midwest winters is that you can go months without seeing the sun. That is very depressing.
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Re: Population trends random thoughts
« Reply #68 on: June 16, 2025, 12:19:08 PM »
CD put that map purporting to show the amount of temperate weather per year in the continental U.S. Where I live is among the most temperate in the nation, which is nice.

BUT...San Francisco is doing its best right now to remind everyone that while Mark Twain may not have said, he could have: the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.

San Francisco is--if this isn't some urban legend that I've convinced myself is actually true--the coldest city in the United States during the summer months. Something about our location on the Pacific, the Bay, and how that impacts the microclimate...
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« Reply #69 on: June 16, 2025, 12:22:19 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on June 16, 2025, 12:19:08 PM
CD put that map purporting to show the amount of temperate weather per year in the continental U.S. Where I live is among the most temperate in the nation, which is nice.

BUT...San Francisco is doing its best right now to remind everyone that while Mark Twain may not have said, he could have: the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.

San Francisco is--if this isn't some urban legend that I've convinced myself is actually true--the coldest city in the United States during the summer months. Something about our location on the Pacific, the Bay, and how that impacts the microclimate...
You're between two water bodies on that peninsula, and those water bodies don't warm up like the ones we have down here.
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