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847badgerfan · « **Reply #224 on:** November 17, 2017, 12:26:24 PM »

I could see the Big 12 champ being left out if it is TCU, the B1G and ACC champs are unbeaten, and the SEC champ is Auburn. I think they would opt for Bama over TCU in that case.

Helmet law.

BuckeyeAvenger · « **Reply #225 on:** November 17, 2017, 12:41:48 PM »

Step 1 of the Buckeyes search for a playoff spot - this weekend...
Wisconsin defeats Michigan
Ohio State wins convincingly over Illinois.

Step 2 - Alabama wins out

Step 3 - Oklahoma wins out

Step 4 - Miami wins out.

Step 5 - Ohio State wins out convincingly.

The Buckeyes will then get the 4th playoff spot. I don’t see anything that could interfere, given the above.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #226 on:** November 17, 2017, 12:48:26 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2017, 12:26:24 PM

I could see the Big 12 champ being left out if it is TCU, the B1G and ACC champs are unbeaten, and the SEC champ is Auburn. I think they would opt for Bama over TCU in that case.

Helmet law.

I think you guys put too much on helmet status. IMHO, the committee will always and forever select:

All the undefeated P5 Champions
all the 1-loss P5 Champions
Other teams as necessary to fill in the four spots.

Thus far in the CFP era:
2014

FSU was the only undefeated P5 Champion and they got in at #3
Bama, Oregon, Ohio State, TCU, and Baylor were 1-loss P5 Champions and they picked the three that won CCG's.
n/a

2015:

Clemson was the only undefeated P5 Champion and they got in at #1
Bama, MSU, and OU were 1-loss P5 Champions and all got in.
n/a

2016:

Bama was the only undefeated P5 Champion and they got in at #1
Clemson and Washington were the only 1-loss P5 Champions and they got in at #2 and #4.
They needed another team an picked 1-loss non-Champion Ohio State over 2-loss Champions Oklahoma and Penn State

To the extent that "helmet" plays a role at all, it will ONLY play a role in the selection of teams within group-3 (ie, teams that lose twice and/or do not win their Conference). If you win your conference with one or less losses you are in barring five or more such teams. Note, however, that in 2016 the issue was between three helmet teams. It will frequently be like that. There are potential scenarios this year, for example, in which the fourth spot would be between Ohio State, Notre Dame, and USC.

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #227 on:** November 17, 2017, 01:19:33 PM »

pretty hard to put in an OU or Clemson with a loss over an undefeated Badger team

I don't think so. Are you putting an undefeated UCF in the playoff then?

Why not? Because they haven't beaten anyone of note. OU has beaten both OSU's on the road and TCU at home. Wisconsin has no wins better than any of those 3, as of right now their best win is an unranked Iowa squad that probably finishes 8-4.

Clemson beat Auburn, Va Tech was probably a little too hyped up, but still a huge quality win vs the Tigers.

If I'm on the committee, I would have no issue voting OU or Clemson in as of right now. Now if Wisconsin goes on to beat UM and OSU, it'd get closer, but Clemson would have wins over Auburn and Miami (FL), OU would have wins over 2 OSU's, TCU twice, Wisconsin still can't touch that.

losses are overblown, they gotta count yes, but a team that challenges itself OOC should be rewarded for BIG wins, not overly penalized if they lose a game somewhere if they secure those BIG wins. How many teams would be undefeated with Wisconsin's current 10 game schedule? I'm guessing at least 10.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #228 on:** November 17, 2017, 01:23:47 PM »

Quote from: TresselownsUM on November 17, 2017, 01:19:33 PM

Wisconsin has no wins better than any of those 3, as of right now their best win is an unranked Iowa squad that probably finishes 8-4.

Northwestern is ranked and will likely finish 9-3.

FearlessF · « **Reply #229 on:** November 17, 2017, 01:51:16 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 17, 2017, 12:48:26 PM

I think you guys put too much on helmet status. IMHO, the committee will always and forever select:
All the undefeated P5 Champions
all the 1-loss P5 Champions
Other teams as necessary to fill in the four spots.

the truth
always and forever

FearlessF · « **Reply #230 on:** November 17, 2017, 01:54:56 PM »

Quote from: TresselownsUM on November 17, 2017, 01:19:33 PM

pretty hard to put in an OU or Clemson with a loss over an undefeated Badger team

I don't think so. Are you putting an undefeated UCF in the playoff then?

Why not?

only because they are not in the ACC, Big Ten, SEC., Big 12, or the PAC
the Badgers are in one of the P5 conferences, therefore, they are in if undefeated
end of story - the committee either thinks an undefeated P5 team is that good or they don't have the nads to pass one over for a one-loss or 2-loss team they feel is better

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #231 on:** November 17, 2017, 03:26:58 PM »

Northwestern is ranked and will likely finish 9-3.

Northwestern 9-3 > Iowa 8-4. Sure I guess, but if that's all you got to hang your hat on, it ain't much.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #232 on:** November 17, 2017, 03:53:58 PM »

There will be plenty more to hang the hat on if UW takes care of business.

If blowing out Iowa is just an OK win, what does it mean when a team gets absolutely trucked by Iowa?

Just curious.

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #233 on:** November 17, 2017, 04:22:28 PM »

If blowing out Iowa is just an OK win, what does it mean when a team gets absolutely trucked by Iowa?

Just curious.

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.

it means your team is pathetic, and I would say in 90% of the years it would disqualify you from any consideration from playing in the playoffs.

the only saving grace for OSU is about 6 teams in the top 12 have all been blown out this year, which seems odd to me. but if someone wants to say OSU doesn't deserve to get in b/c they lost by 31 to Iowa, I can't defend it. I would say it's a valid argument, and it's still quite possible that could keep them out vs say an 11-1 Miami.

I'm not saying Iowa is a bad team, but there's at least 50 teams in college football that can tout a win that is equal or better than Iowa or Northwestern.

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #234 on:** November 17, 2017, 04:26:46 PM »

the Badgers are in one of the P5 conferences, therefore, they are in if undefeated
end of story - the committee either thinks an undefeated P5 team is that good or they don't have the nads to pass one over for a one-loss or 2-loss team they feel is better

I'm willing to agree this year sure, but I don't think you can simply dismiss a non power 5 team. if last year's Houston team, that had a win over a power 5 champion Oklahoma, and I think Louisville too (I might be wrong on that) would have gone undefeated.

The Houston 2016 schedule, assuming undefeated, would have gotten them in over a 13-0 Wisconsin. Because the Badgers schedule is that bad. It's not their fault in conference they just happened to miss the 3 best teams in the BIG not named Wisconsin in Penn St, OSU and MSU. But it is their fault OOC

847badgerfan · « **Reply #235 on:** November 17, 2017, 05:29:20 PM »

It's not UW's fault that BYU went in the shitter and no big schools will schedule them other than for "neutral" games. It is what it is.

FearlessF · « **Reply #236 on:** November 17, 2017, 05:49:48 PM »

Quote from: TresselownsUM on November 17, 2017, 04:26:46 PM

the Badgers are in one of the P5 conferences, therefore, they are in if undefeated
end of story - the committee either thinks an undefeated P5 team is that good or they don't have the nads to pass one over for a one-loss or 2-loss team they feel is better

I'm willing to agree this year sure, but I don't think you can simply dismiss a non power 5 team. if last year's Houston team, that had a win over a power 5 champion Oklahoma, and I think Louisville too (I might be wrong on that) would have gone undefeated.

The Houston 2016 schedule, assuming undefeated, would have gotten them in over a 13-0 Wisconsin. Because the Badgers schedule is that bad. It's not their fault in conference they just happened to miss the 3 best teams in the BIG not named Wisconsin in Penn St, OSU and MSU. But it is their fault OOC

I'm not dismissing UCF or other non-P5 undefeateds
I'm merely saying an undefeated P5 conference team )Wisconsin is this season's example) will be in the top 4, unless there are more than 4 undefeated teams. Then of course someone has to be left out. but, as you know.... not much chance of 5 or 6 undefeated teams in December

FearlessF · « **Reply #237 on:** November 17, 2017, 05:58:53 PM »

Quote from: TresselownsUM on November 17, 2017, 04:22:28 PM

the only saving grace for OSU is about 6 teams in the top 12 have all been blown out this year, which seems odd to me. but if someone wants to say OSU doesn't deserve to get in b/c they lost by 31 to Iowa, I can't defend it. I would say it's a valid argument, and it's still quite possible that could keep them out vs say an 11-1 Miami.

yup, it's a different time and with 4 spots in the playoff instead of 2, but we still hear about the injustice of a one loss Husker team playing for the crystal football in 2001 after losing by 26 to, at the time #14 ranked, CU. and CU finished 10-3 ranked #9 in the final poll.
Howling as you know.... I didn't and won't defend it. But, as you stated that about 6 teams have been blown out this season, there really wasn't a more deserving team back in 2001.

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