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ELA

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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2023, 02:32:45 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 08, 2023, 02:07:53 PM
I generally think the loser in a CG should not get in UNLESS there is no good option otherwise.
I tend to agree, but I my main gripe is that I hate putting in teams that didn't even qualify for the game over a team that did, but then lost.

That's why the 2017 Alabama team is the one team I have an issue with.

If you lose a CCG, but the team you lost to gets in, or don't win your division but the team who did, did, I don't have a problem with that.  I don't mind Ohio State getting in last year.  But if Michigan had lost to Purdue, and fallen out, I'd have a problem with OSU getting in, and Michigan getting left out, because they lost a game that OSU didn't even qualify for.

2017 Alabama is the only team that I think had zero business getting in
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2023, 02:33:47 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 08, 2023, 12:34:29 PM
ACC - Louisville and Florida State both win out, Louisville beats FSU in the ACC title game.  So you have 12-1 champion Louisville, 12-1 non-champ FSU

BIG XII - Texas wins out, wins title, 12-1 champ Texas

BIG TEN - Penn State beats Michigan, Michigan beats OSU, Iowa upsets PSU in the title game.  11-2 champion Iowa, 11-2 PSU who lost in the CCG, 11-1 OSU and UM who didn't even go to the CCG

PAC 12 - Washington and Oregon both win out, Oregon beats Washington in the P12 title game.  So you have 12-1 champion Oregon, and 12-1 champion Washington, who has a regular season win over Oregon

SEC - Alabama and Georgia both win out, Alabama beats Georgia in the title game.  So you have 12-1 champion Alabama, 12-1 non-champ Georgia
In this scenatio, I'd have

1.  Texas
2. Oregpm
3,  Alabama
4.  Laville
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2023, 02:41:29 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 08, 2023, 02:29:35 PM
I felt bad stepping on your toes
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2023, 03:19:30 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 08, 2023, 02:29:21 PM
In this scenario, or in general?
in general...but could be wrong.
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2023, 04:03:53 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 08, 2023, 12:34:29 PM
ACC - Louisville and Florida State both win out, Louisville beats FSU in the ACC title game.  So you have 12-1 champion Louisville, 12-1 non-champ FSU

BIG XII - Texas wins out, wins title, 12-1 champ Texas

BIG TEN - Penn State beats Michigan, Michigan beats OSU, Iowa upsets PSU in the title game.  11-2 champion Iowa, 11-2 PSU who lost in the CCG, 11-1 OSU and UM who didn't even go to the CCG

PAC 12 - Washington and Oregon both win out, Oregon beats Washington in the P12 title game.  So you have 12-1 champion Oregon, and 12-1 champion Washington, who has a regular season win over Oregon

SEC - Alabama and Georgia both win out, Alabama beats Georgia in the title game.  So you have 12-1 champion Alabama, 12-1 non-champ Georgia
PAC - Oregon lost AT Washington by 3 points. If they beat Washington on a neutral, it has to be them. Both had equally garbage OOC games.

ACC - Florida State has played the tougher schedule, but I'd have to go with Louisville due to H2H.

XII - Texas if they win out.

SEC - Bama.

B1G - OSU - only if Texas DOES NOT win out.

1. Oregon
2. Louisville
3. Bama
4. Texas/OSU
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2023, 04:07:13 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 08, 2023, 02:32:45 PM
I tend to agree, but I my main gripe is that I hate putting in teams that didn't even qualify for the game over a team that did, but then lost.

That's why the 2017 Alabama team is the one team I have an issue with.

If you lose a CCG, but the team you lost to gets in, or don't win your division but the team who did, did, I don't have a problem with that.  I don't mind Ohio State getting in last year.  But if Michigan had lost to Purdue, and fallen out, I'd have a problem with OSU getting in, and Michigan getting left out, because they lost a game that OSU didn't even qualify for.

2017 Alabama is the only team that I think had zero business getting in
i can get that, but who are you putting in instead?

everyone either had 2+ losses (osu, usc, au) or would fit the same as bama (wisc) in that the ccg winner is not in the cfp.

if the order is:
1 - undefeated p5 champ
2 - 1 loss p5 champ
3 - 1 loss p5 non-champ

you're left with 2 options, bama and wisc. that year was going to have issues no matter who got picked. similar to 2007, everyone just flubbed it and someone had to be picked.
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2023, 05:29:32 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 08, 2023, 12:34:29 PM
BIG TEN - Penn State beats Michigan, Michigan beats OSU, Iowa upsets PSU in the title game.  11-2 champion Iowa, 11-2 PSU who lost in the CCG, 11-1 OSU and UM who didn't even go to the CCG
I already said that in this hypothetical I don't think any of the B1G teams would make the playoff.  

A related question is how would you rank the B1G teams relative to each other?  Here is what you have (alphabetically):
  • 11-2 Iowa:  Lost to PSU and MN, big win is over PSU in the CG and they are the B1G Champion.  
  • 11-1 Michigan:  Lost to PSU, beat tOSU and basically didn't play anyone else.  
  • 11-1 Ohio State:  Lost to M, beat PSU, also has an OOC win over a decent ND but that is about it.  
  • 11-2 Penn State:  Lost to tOSU and Iowa (in CG), beat M and Iowa (regular season), also has an OOC win over WVU.  

What say you?  
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2023, 07:57:02 AM »
It depends of course on what happens elsewhere, but I doubt an 11-2 Iowa would get into the CFP.  There would be 4 1 or zero loss conference champions elsewhere.
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2023, 10:23:49 AM »
nobody wants to watch Iowa's offense
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2023, 12:20:25 PM »
The argument usually is an 11-2 conference champ vs a 11-1 team that looked good save one game, or the 12-1 CG loser.  I really lean to the former myself, but I can see why 11-1 might be the better team.

We won't have this quandary as much next season.
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2023, 05:52:27 PM »
Bama 
Georgia 
Ohio state 
4 TBD but I’d hesitate to put Texas or a PAC team in there. 
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2023, 06:06:06 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 09, 2023, 12:20:25 PM
We won't have this quandary as much next season.
Humorously, we are going to the 4 team playoff precisely when we've never needed it less.  We at one point had 7 solid conferences, then the SWC broke up and dropped us to 6.  The ACC raided the Big East, so it was sort of 5.5.  Starting next year we essentially have 2 mega conferences, and two conferences that are like the BCS era Big East.

I've noticed in doing the season simulation under the 1983 format that while teams scheduled WAY better OOC, conference play was worse, because the teams were spread out among 6 power conferences, and a very large group of independents.
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2023, 06:29:22 PM »
Yeah, those 3 years (I think) the compromised Big East champ still got a big bowl invite felt smarmy.
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Re: Pick Your Playoff
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2023, 07:27:55 AM »
I figure the 12 gamer is more about $$$$ than making fans happier.
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