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Hey you two stay in your lane your only concerns should be getting Coaches Moore and Martindale inked to long term deals.Locking down M*s foreseeable future and Blue Skies

His response is a typical response that I would expect from most. Not a knock, but most people assume that a HC that doesn't coach in the mac or step up position will never make it as a successful HC. IN most cases, that's absolutely spot on. To me, Hartline would be an exception. The reason I don't see it happening, he's an Ohio kid from birth. Grew up in Canton, a Buckeye and he seems pretty grounded in family and money isn't really an issue. Made just under 20mm in the pros, making 2mm a year now. The only question is he driven to be the guy in charge and the head leader or does he like being behind the scenes a little more running a successful group and grounded with his young family in Cbus. I don't know how anyone looks at what he has helped produced on the field as a receivers coach because it's been a special, absurd run for a while. 

I was yanking chains about Moore/Martindale.Hopefully Hartline's comfortable as a position/coordinator coach,so many times it just doesn't translate when moving up. Ed Warriner is a great example spent a few years At ND then came over to C-Bus under Urbz.He had taken guys from other positions LB/TE/DL and turned them into very good O-Linemen.He had that gift but was a disaster when promoted to OC job,After 2 yrs he left and went to work for Harbaugh. Then left after a year or two there.Kerry Coombs is another example outstanding DB coach - absolute debacle as DC though.I'd take either of those two back as position coaches as it was their forte'

This!

There are plenty of examples. I think that running an offense compared to running a position group and running a program compared to running an offense are just very different jobs. They require different skill sets and being good or even great at one doesn't mean that you'll be even competent at the other.

Dang, to me this whole thing is just getting crazier.

With the new-age and portal, you are going to have seasons where the influx of new guys just is simply not going to gel.  Is Dabo Swinney done?  My Cats have shit the bed repeatedly this season, with arguably one of the most talented ensembles we've had in years--preseason playoff projections abounded.  More evidence that this sport is freaking ruined, never to be repaired. 

I agree with all of this, especially the bolded part.  

Losing at home to Northwestern was bad to be sure but I still wonder if PSU didn't overreact.  Ohio State / Ryan Day will eventually have a season in which their portal haul just doesn't really work out and the team stumbles to something like 7-5 and when that happens it doesn't mean the Ryan Day forgot how to coach, it means that sometimes things don't work out they way you expect.  You reload and try again next year.  That said, half the fanbase will be ready to fire him and jump at the next big name.  

Yep, welcome to the Coaching Carousel.  We used that term 25 years ago--But it's gotten a helluva lot more expensive to can a guy you're not happy with 3 years into a 5 year deal nowdays.  50 Million Bucks!!  It's like it's monopoly money or something!

Yeah, the QB3 NCs are a thing of the past.