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OrangeAfroMan

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Past Player - Recent Player Equivalent?
« on: November 08, 2021, 09:16:46 PM »
What was Syracuse's Don McPherson like?  The Orangemen went undefeated in 1987, I'm assuming running an option-adjacent offense.
I know Marvin Graves was their next good QB and then McNabb.....but I never saw McPherson play.

Is there a recent equivalent?  Who would you compare him to?
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Re: Past Player - Recent Player Equivalent?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 10:58:36 PM »
Wow, you REALLY don't want any general college football chat here, do you?!?
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 11:22:00 PM »
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Re: Past Player - Recent Player Equivalent?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2021, 12:04:15 AM »
I just saw this post.  I remember him as a good player on a really good team.  Pat Dye and his love of ties in that Sugar Bowl spoiled the unblemished record.  I haven't thought or considered his stats at all.  I remember they hammered Penn St at the Dome and had a great nose guard.    Wasn't Kane the main receiver? Johnston was the fullback.

I suspect he would've been much highly regarded if he came after Charlie Ward etc.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2021, 08:32:19 AM »
I was 3
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2021, 08:40:27 AM »
not a bad idea for a thread- should be about current players that compare to past players however. 

I'm looking at Aidan Hutchinson and he reminds me a heckuva lot of a young JJ Watt. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2021, 09:18:17 AM »
I remember thinking McPherson would have been a good fit at Nebraska running the option, but the Huskers were starting a young Steve Taylor that come out hot throwing for 5TDs vs UCLA and was faster than McPherson
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2021, 09:15:42 PM »
I'm sure there were comps to or with Steve Taylor.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2021, 11:27:24 PM »
I feel like there was a cluster of the athletic, non-'traditional option' QBs in the 5-6 years before Ward.
GT's Shawn Jones led them to a NC.  UVA's Shawn Moore led them to a #1 ranking.  Both ran for around 300 yards, although Moore was much more efficient.  He did have Herman Moore to throw too, however. 

I think the headliner of that type and era was Major Harris.  Their Fiesta Bowl? vs ND would have been something special, had he not gotten hurt. 
In actually looking at stats, Timm Rosenbach, a non-descript NFL name to me, had a helluva season at Wazzou, with 300 yards rushing and 10 TDs.  I would never have guessed that!!!

Other of this ilk, pre-Ward:  Arkansas' Quinn Grovey, SU's Marvin Graves, WV's Darren Studstill, Baylor's J.J. Joe, Tenn's Heath Shuler, NM's Stoney Case.

Obviously, most of these guys were black QBs who could do more than just run.  HCs finally trusted these guys to throw the ball...and while their overall pass attempts weren't high, it wasn't for lack of passing talent but for their rushing attempts.  They could do both. 

It's funny, of all the non-Ward names I listed in this post, the only NC winner probably had the worst passing stats. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2021, 07:20:21 AM »
JJ Joe, iirc,  started as a freshman was pretty good, and seemed to digress each subsequent season.   Zebbie Lethridge did that too, a few years later at TT.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2021, 08:33:03 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 09, 2021, 11:27:24 PM
I feel like there was a cluster of the athletic, non-'traditional option' QBs in the 5-6 years before Ward.
GT's Shawn Jones led them to a NC.  UVA's Shawn Moore led them to a #1 ranking.  Both ran for around 300 yards, although Moore was much more efficient.  He did have Herman Moore to throw too, however. 

I think the headliner of that type and era was Major Harris.  Their Fiesta Bowl? vs ND would have been something special, had he not gotten hurt. 
In actually looking at stats, Timm Rosenbach, a non-descript NFL name to me, had a helluva season at Wazzou, with 300 yards rushing and 10 TDs.  I would never have guessed that!!!

Other of this ilk, pre-Ward:  Arkansas' Quinn Grovey, SU's Marvin Graves, WV's Darren Studstill, Baylor's J.J. Joe, Tenn's Heath Shuler, NM's Stoney Case.

Obviously, most of these guys were black QBs who could do more than just run.  HCs finally trusted these guys to throw the ball...and while their overall pass attempts weren't high, it wasn't for lack of passing talent but for their rushing attempts. They could do both. 

It's funny, of all the non-Ward names I listed in this post, the only NC winner probably had the worst passing stats. 
Going back even further, Rick Leach at Michigan was like that in the late 70s


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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2021, 11:15:54 AM »
Quote from: ELA on November 10, 2021, 08:33:03 AM
Going back even further, Rick Leach at Michigan was like that in the late 70s
talking about a guy that could run and pass- Drew Henson. To this day I do not think I have ever seen a more talented college QB than Henson. Just a shame that he gave up his SR season and went the baseball route. He's the #1 pick in the 2002 NFL draft if he sticks out his SR season and he has a long NFL career imo. 

Can't only start 10 college games, then leave early as a junior and take 4 years off of playing football completely and try to play pro baseball and then when that doesn't work out just figure oh hey I'll just jump right into the NFL. That is literally impossible.

I don't think people remember or realize just how incredibly talented Drew Henson was. He was like a bigger, faster John Elway. He was literally the perfect QB body at 6'4, 230+ with legit 4.6 speed and one of the strongest arms most accurate arms I've ever seen. He was Andrew Luck before Andrew Luck- but with a stronger arm.
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Re: Past Player - Recent Player Equivalent?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2021, 11:34:51 AM »
Roger Staubach, Sir Francis Tarkenton, and Bobby Douglas
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2021, 01:49:05 PM »
Leach REALLY improved over the course of his career.
FR:  32% comp, 3 TD passes, 12 INTs.......75 rating
SR:  49% comp, 17 TD passes, 6 INTs......145 rating

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