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Topic: Other P5 Championship races heading into the weekend of 11/20

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medinabuckeye1

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Other P5 Championship races heading into the weekend of 11/20
« on: November 15, 2021, 04:45:03 PM »
ACC-Atlantic:

  • 6-0 Wake (@Clem, @BC)
  • 5-2 Clemson (vs Wake)
  • 4-2 NCST (vsCuse, vsUNC)
With Wake's win over NCST they are now firmly in control and have effectively earned a mulligan.  Even if they lose to Clemson this weekend they'll still win the division outright so long as they beat the division's worst team Thanksgiving weekend.  If Wake does lose out that opens the door for Clemson and there is a theoretical possibility of a three-way tie where all three went 1-1 against each other.  

ACC-Coastal:
  • 5-1 Pitt (vsUVA, @Cuse)
  • 4-2 UVA (@Pitt, vsVaTech)
  • 3-3 Miami (vsVaTech, @Dook)
  • 3-3 VaTech (@Miami, @UVA)

Pitt clinches an outright division title if they win this weekend.  If Virginia wins this weekend that keeps the Cavaliers and the Miami/VaTech winner in the race.  

The three-loss teams might already be eliminated and they play each other this weekend so the loser will be mathematically eliminated even if Pitt loses to UVA.  The winner would need to win their last game and for Pitt to lose out and for UVA to lose their other game just to get into a three-way tie at 5-3 and I don't know who wins that.  

Big12:
  • 6-1 OU (vsISU, @OkSU)
  • 6-1 OkSU (@TxTech, vsOU)
  • 5-2 Baylor (@KSU, vsTxTech)
  • 4-3 ISU (@OU, vsTCU)
  • 4-3 KSU (vsBaylor, @TX)

The three-loss teams need one of the Oklahoma teams to lose out and even then that only gets them a tie for the second spot so it might not be enough.  Wins by both Oklahoma schools this weekend would mathematically end things for ISU and KSU.  Baylor has a H2H over OU but they also have a H2H loss to OkSU so they probably need to Cowboys to knock off the Sooners in the Bedlam game.  

P12-N:
  • 6-1 Oregon (@Utah, vsOrSU)
  • 4-3 WSU (vsZona, @Wash)
  • 4-3 OrSU (vsASU, @Ore)
I might have misspoken last week.  I said that an Oregon win would eliminate WSU but on second thought, I'm not positive of that.  Oregon did beat WSU so the Cougars can do no better than a tie with Oregon and they lost the H2H so they'd lose a two-way tie but if OrSU was also 6-3 then the three of them would be 1-1 against each other and I have no idea how that tie would be broken.  In any case, an Oregon win this weekend eliminates all doubt because that would clinch an outright division title for the Ducks and dispense with the need to consider tiebreakers.  Oregon also clinches with an OrSU loss to ASU because then the only potential tie would be between Oregon and WSU and the Ducks already beat the Cougars.  

P12-S:
  • 6-1 Utah (vsOregon, vsColorado)
  • 5-2 ASU (@OrSU, vsZona)
  • 4-3 UCLA (@USC, vsCal)
UCLA is out of the CG race because they already lost to both Utah and ASU so they can't win any tie and they can't do better than a tie with Utah but they are still in the race for a share of the P12-S title.  

ASU also already lost to Utah so they can't make the CG unless they win out AND Utah loses out.  Ie, Utah clinches this weekend with either a win or a loss by ASU.  

SEC-E:
  • 8-0 Georgia has completed their SEC schedule and will be in the SECCG after two weeks of tuning up against an FCS team and GaTech

SEC-W:
  • 5-1 Bama (vsArk, @Aub)
  • 4-2 Ole Miss (vsVandy, @MsSt)
  • 4-3 MsSt (@Aub, vsMiss)
  • 4-3 aTm (@LSU)
  • 3-3 Auburn (@USCe, vsBama)
  • 3-3 Ark (@Bama, vsMizzou)


Bama wins unless they lose out because they beat Mississippi H2H.  IF Bama loses out then Ole Miss could win by winning out and if that didn't happen then the three-loss teams would have a chance at a tie and some convoluted tiebreaker scenario.  

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Re: Other P5 Championship races heading into the weekend of 11/20
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2021, 04:47:48 PM »

  • 5-1 Bama (vsArk, @Aub)
  • 4-2 Ole Miss (vsVandy, @MsSt)
  • 4-3 MsSt (@Aub, vsMiss)
  • 4-3 aTm (@LSU)
  • 3-3 Auburn (@USCe, vsBama)
  • 3-3 Ark (@Bama, vsMizzou)
Would be fun if Bama loses out, Old Miss loses to MSU, and Auburn wins out, and Arky.  They'd all be 5-3 in conference.  


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Re: Other P5 Championship races heading into the weekend of 11/20
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2021, 05:12:44 PM »

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Re: Other P5 Championship races heading into the weekend of 11/20
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2021, 06:34:36 PM »
I thought that Medina would have committed the tiebreakers across the P5 landscape to memory. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Other P5 Championship races heading into the weekend of 11/20
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2021, 10:32:52 PM »
I thought that Medina would have committed the tiebreakers across the P5 landscape to memory.
No.  I know ours pretty well but it is tricky because they change once in a while so you pretty much have to look it up each year to make sure.  A couple weeks ago @ELA assumed that Michigan would win a then possible hypothetical three-way tie between tOSU, MSU, and M because it would come down to CFP ranking.  That would have been true a few years ago but that got changed and now after H2H, divisional record, record against the next best team(s), etc, the deciding tiebreaker in the case of a three-way tie at 8-1 where the three teams all went 1-1 against each other is that whichever team's opposite division opponents had the better record goes.  

I try to keep on top of ours but for the other conferences I generally wait until the possibilities are sufficiently limited that I don't need to look up too many off-the-wall hypotheticals.  

 

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