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Cincydawg

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2884 on: January 26, 2024, 09:09:44 AM »


Hedges of course are not unique to this place.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2885 on: January 26, 2024, 10:30:35 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 25, 2024, 07:27:15 AM
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:
League of Nations Founded (1919)
The League of Nations was an organization for international cooperation, peace, and security established by the Allied Powers at the end of WWI.  Headquartered at Geneva, the League was weakened by the failure of the US, which had not ratified the Treaty of Versailles, to join the confederation.
 Interesting how history is explained in such simple terms, That's a bit of misleading because in real time the realization on this side of the Atlantic soon settled in that the TREATY was anything but fair to the Central Powers. Or even American  positions,Woodrow Wilson wanted to use the L of N to referee disputes amoungst all counties to avoid wars.The treaty forced Germany to disarm, to make territorial concessions,and to pay reparations to Britain/France in staggering amounts.Reparations the British Crown had never paid to ANYONE when they invaded countries near/far like Ireland/India/USA/S,Africa & everyone else for 350 yrs or so prior.

 The Treaty enforced British/French convictions that fostered hyper inflation and carved up huge swaths of German lands giving them to France and Poland then gave Germany the bill for a war started in the Balkans. Austria/Hungary paid very little in a strange twist as Germany came to their aid. The treaty in the US Congress was voted down for many reasons, Britain failing to repay loans to the US Treasury was surely was one of them.Then why should others pay the Crowns King/Lords/Princes off that don't honor their debts? 

 The League and it's Treaty was viewed afar with Imperialistic interests and manipulations that indeed led to WWII because at the very least the Germans would want their lands back .Afterwards when Hitler consolidated power why he assailed the Russian/Jewish people and conviced others to join him was anyone's guess.Considering settling scores with the British/French should have been the primary aim



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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2886 on: January 26, 2024, 10:44:46 AM »
I have pondered before whether "we" would be better off had the Germans won WW One.  I think the US would have been.

France would have lost a bit more territory, probably, and Belgium and Holland would be de facto German colonies (probably).  The L of N would not have worked any better than the UN has.
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« Reply #2887 on: January 26, 2024, 10:56:17 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 26, 2024, 10:44:46 AM
I have pondered before whether "we" would be better off had the Germans won WW One. I think the US would have been.

France would have lost a bit more territory, probably, and Belgium and Holland would be de facto German colonies (probably).  The L of N would not have worked any better than the UN has.
IMO financially perhaps but seeing it was a hedonistic butcher and not simply nationalistc types the Fuhrer would have pressed on. Hitler I'm sure would not have stopped.Now if one of the 43 assinations attemps worked then perhaps things work out for the better but then Stalin is always a fly in the ointment/conversation
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2888 on: January 26, 2024, 11:04:50 AM »
WW One, not Two, no Hitler.  The German Empire under the Kaiser is strengthened and dominates Europe with only England a weaker counter weight.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2889 on: January 26, 2024, 11:11:27 AM »
Oh ya pretty hard to oppose that as even up to including WWII the British would excersize it whims as it saw fit
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2890 on: January 26, 2024, 11:22:53 AM »
Had the Germans stuck with the Schlieffen Plan and not moved troops to the east at the wrong time, they might have won a quick one.

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« Reply #2891 on: January 26, 2024, 11:44:24 AM »
I haven't studied a lot of battles per se more like the history leading up to and it's after math.But one interesting point i had read that 2 years - 1914 and 1918 suposedly had the most casualties. The years '15-'16-'17 though certainly brutal and miserable were trench warfare with very little agency besides the usual mass charges that proved foolish and deadly then everyone returned to Hunkering down again.Many troops succumbed to the elemnets and all sorts illnesses chronic/disabling sickness dysentery,diarrhea,typhus,typhoid and such.Not forgetting the Spanish Flu that could have started on the battle fields themselves and not in Spain

 Point being is when armies were marching they made much easier targets and things ramped up late in the war. Like when doughboys came and they went on more forced marches to flank enemy positions forcing the war to end one way or another
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2892 on: January 26, 2024, 12:15:13 PM »
The "Spainish Flu" is not called that because it started in Spain, at all.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2893 on: January 26, 2024, 12:43:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 26, 2024, 09:09:44 AM


Hedges of course are not unique to this place.

Do you know what kind of hedges UGA has?  We have some Boxwood Hedges that decorate our front porch area.  
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2894 on: January 26, 2024, 12:57:43 PM »
According to four different horticulturists at the University of Georgia, the shrub is Chinese privet, Ligustrum sinense. I’m not sure where the confusion occurred. My guess is that a non-horticultural writer got confused with English boxwood and their misinformation has been repeated ad infinitum.

These Chinamen be taking over everywhere.

Chinese Privet at Sanford Stadium | Lowndes – Echols Ag News (uga.edu)

Chinese privet has one claim to fame in Georgia.  The famed hedges in the University of Georgia’s Sanford Stadium are composed of Chinese privet plants.  When Sanford Stadium was built in the 1920’s, the business manager of the athletic association had been impressed with the rose bushes in the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California and wanted to have something similar in UGA’s new stadium.  Rose bushes were deemed not to be the best choice for the Athens climate, so Chinese privet was planted.  The privet was reportedIy trucked into Athens from Atlanta as the result of a last-minute decision and planted by workers with shovels and flashlights just hours before the stadium’s inaugural game against Yale. I have heard a story that a species other than Chinese privet was originally planted and the Chinese privet later invaded and pushed out the previously planted plants.  I have found no documentation supporting this legend.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2895 on: January 26, 2024, 01:09:07 PM »
Everything You Need To Know About Privet (southernliving.com)

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)]The villain is a large, evergreen shrub or small tree called Chinese privet (Ligustrum sinense). [/color]It's worse than kudzu, according to the scientists tracking its spread. Worse than kudzu. [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)]That's because kudzu needs sun to grow. Chinese privet, on the other hand, grows just about anywhere. In sun. In shade. In wet soil. In dry soil. In the city. In the country. All over more than 3 million acres of Southern forests and now spreading as far north as Massachusetts.[/color]

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)]It entered the South from its native Asia as an ornamental plant in 1852. Nurseries in towns like Birmingham, Atlanta, and Jackson often ignored its true appellation and sold it simply as "hedge." (A fellow I once did a story on named Dr. Dirt calls it "privy hedge," because he always saw it growing next to the privy. I think it's better thrown into a privy than planted next to it.) Thus, infestations of this botanical nightmare are worse around cities and suburbs than in rural areas. For now.[/color]


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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2896 on: January 26, 2024, 02:11:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 26, 2024, 12:15:13 PM
The "Spainish Flu" is not called that because it started in Spain, at all.
Ya I think it was labeled such as Spain in such proximity to battle fields is were it was 1st noticed in the civilian population.When many at war war could have succumbed to it but with all the mayhem every death couldn't be confirmed just guessed except battle wounds
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2897 on: January 26, 2024, 03:20:43 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 26, 2024, 12:15:13 PM
The "Spainish Flu" is not called that because it started in Spain, at all.
It is a pretty funny story how it got that name.
Quote from: MrNubbz on January 26, 2024, 02:11:57 PM
Ya I think it was labeled such as Spain in such proximity to battle fields is were it was 1st noticed in the civilian population.When many at war war could have succumbed to it but with all the mayhem every death couldn't be confirmed just guessed except battle wounds
Mostly it was because the warring powers had enacted press censorship so reporting about the Flu was forbidden. 

Spain was neutral and had no censorship so it was reported there.
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