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MrNubbz

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2744 on: December 16, 2023, 08:25:06 PM »
https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-139/prince-of-wales-and-repulse-churchills-veiled-threat-reconsidered/


No tragedy is so poignant in British naval history as the loss of these two capital ships and so many aboard them. They had been, Churchill wrote, the only weapon in British hands, meaning a weapon of deterrence. The command of every ocean had been lost except the Atlantic. Australia and New Zealand were open to attack.

Prince of Wales and Repulse had been sent to Singapore, he wrote, “to exercise that kind of vague menace which capital ships of the highest quality whose whereabouts is unknown can impose upon all hostile naval calculations. How should we use them now? Obviously they must go to sea and vanish among the innumerable islands. There was general agreement on that.” Churchill had thought they might sail across the Pacific to join the U.S. fleet, “a proud gesture at this moment,” knitting the English-speaking world together. The existence of such a fleet would be the best possible shield for the Pacific Dominions. “But as the hour was late we decided to sleep on it, and settle the next morning what to do with the Prince of Wales and Repulse.”
These were Churchill’s undoubted intentions. What is not so sure is the decision-making process that led to the ships’ deployment: Admiral Phillips’s “Force Z.” Churchill’s part in these matters has been a subject of debate among some of the best historians, including Arthur Marder, Stephen Roskill, Correlli Barnett, Christopher Bell, Martin Middlebrook and Patrick Mahoney.


Its purpose was to deter Japan from entering the war or delay the outbreak of hostilities. The deployment was made for political reasons.On 4 November Churchill wrote to Stalin: “With the object of keeping Japan quiet we are sending our latest battleship, Prince of Wales, which can catch and kill any Japanese ship, into the Indian Ocean, and we are building up a powerful battle squadron there.”
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Now do tell us Marvelous Medina who was Chief amongst the British Politicians.Hmmm,tough one Adml.Pound?Adml.Phillips?Foreign Secretary Eden? Joseph Stalin? Careful now Santa and Cinci Dawg may be watching

Well I have a party to attend,I'd bet you're a lot of fun at one of those
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medinabuckeye1

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2745 on: December 16, 2023, 08:54:58 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 10, 2023, 02:25:40 PM
Churchill was ass for sending them,specially after the Imperial Japanese Navy just displayed in aces 3 days earlier what sea launched airpower was capable of. He couldn't bring himself to admit that Britania didn't rule the waves anymore.Japan had not only the biggest but most advanced NAVY afloat at the dawn of WWII
This, @MrNubbz was your first post on the issue. 

Note above that you criticized Churchill for sending Repulse and POW after PH. 

Now you are talking about an order issued:
Quote from: MrNubbz 12/16/2023, 7:54:09 PM
on November 25th before everything above had been unfolding 

Since we all know that November 25 is BEFORE December 7, I'll accept this as your admission that you were wrong.
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« Reply #2746 on: December 16, 2023, 09:45:15 PM »
War Elephants

Elephants were first used in military campaigns in India around 1100 BCE. At the 331 BCE Battle of Gaugamela, Alexander the Great's forces faced 15 war elephants. Recognizing the large pachyderms' military value, Alexander began employing them in his own campaigns. The elephants' thick hides made them extremely difficult to kill or neutralize, and they easily trampled opposing forces as they charged through enemy lines.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2747 on: December 16, 2023, 11:26:03 PM »
You boys sure know how to celebrate the weekend :57:
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2748 on: December 17, 2023, 12:10:29 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 16, 2023, 11:26:03 PM
You boys sure know how to celebrate the weekend :57:
I was just thinkin the same thing

man are we getting old
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2749 on: December 17, 2023, 09:07:12 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Prime Minister of Australia Disappears (1967)
Harold Holt was an Australian political leader who served in a number of cabinet positions before becoming prime minister in 1966, upon the retirement of Robert Gordon Menzies, whom Holt succeeded as Liberal party leader. During his short tenure, he increased the number of Australian troops in South Vietnam, a policy that caused controversy. He disappeared while swimming in rough surf in 1967 and is believed to have drowned.
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« Reply #2750 on: December 17, 2023, 08:58:06 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 16, 2023, 08:54:58 PM
Since we all know that November 25 is BEFORE December 7, I'll accept this as your admission that you were wrong.
I gave you the answer petulant child.They still had two days to at least pull back and get out of range one page back.Keep throwing shyt against the wall until some sticks


So Congratulations on ALL you have ignored, you just keep refuting yourself with the stupidity of your own statements. I have replied with no less than FOUR LINKS of WC's debacles,1 from winstonchurchill.org and you leave 3 pages of 💩💩💩.Churchill had no business ordering Force Z into the S.China Sea & just as Custer had no business ordering the 7th Cavalry into the Little Bighorn & for the same evident reasons - both positions were untenable as History obviously attests to. Either go read/watch those sources or just have a nice cup of STFU. And don't bother with the typical 15 paragraphs of nested, tangled nonsense, nobody will read it & I won't be responding. Thank You for your cooperation
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2751 on: December 17, 2023, 10:22:23 PM »
@MrNubbz you already admitted your initial post was factually incorrect as to dates. 

You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2752 on: December 18, 2023, 12:49:33 AM »
I however am entitled to my own facts. 
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2753 on: December 18, 2023, 01:23:18 AM »
Ain't no elephants in Guatemala!  Guadalajara?  Guadalcanal?
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2754 on: December 18, 2023, 08:57:26 AM »
guacamole
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2755 on: December 18, 2023, 09:53:05 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 17, 2023, 10:22:23 PM
@MrNubbz you already admitted your initial post was factually incorrect as to dates.

You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
Get Help it's available,denial isn't a river in Africa
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2756 on: December 18, 2023, 11:06:09 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 18, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
Get Help it's available,denial isn't a river in Africa
LoL

You falsely claimed that Churchill ordered Repulse and POW out three days after Pearl Harbor. 

Quote from: MrNubbz 12/10/2023, 2:25:40 PM
Churchill was ass for sending them,specially after the Imperial Japanese Navy just displayed in aces 3 days earlier what sea launched airpower was capable of. He couldn't bring himself to admit that Britania didn't rule the waves anymore.Japan had not only the biggest but most advanced NAVY afloat at the dawn of WWII
Are you denying that you said this?
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2757 on: December 18, 2023, 11:11:43 AM »
My only contribution to this is my grandmother's family lived with the rest of her family on the Pearl City Peninsula in late 1941. 
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