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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2660 on: December 07, 2023, 04:27:46 PM »
https://www.theunion.com/news/remembering-the-day-of-infamy-grass-valleys-lou-conter-last-remaining-survivor-of-uss-arizona/article_c54a9932-948b-11ee-a167-bb12d9822564.html

Only one USS Arizona survivor is still alive. 

The youngest WWII veterans were born in 1927 and the few of them still alive celebrate their 96th birthday this year. 

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« Reply #2661 on: December 07, 2023, 07:43:17 PM »
Every December 7, the first time I look at the date, whether on a calendar, my phone, an email, whatever, I still hear FDR's voice, and say "A day that will live in infamy"--normally out loud to myself.

I've probably shared this before, but most of my family that served in WWII were in the Army. My grandfather came to the island hopping a little later on (he was taking his first semester law school exams the week of December 8-12, then was stationed as a coast artilleryman defending California's coast), with the return to the Philippines. One of my uncles was a tanker who fought in the Bulge and saw the aftermath of Dresden. My great grandfather--and the father-in-law of the one island hopping, father of the tanker--commanded supply ships in the Pacific. He was a Captain (for those who don't know--a very senior officer in the Navy, one step below the first Admiral rank) throughout the war, was promoted to Rear Admiral (one star) at the end of the war, and died very shortly thereafter of a heart attack, I think. Grandpa (son-in-law) was invited to his ship to dine while they were both in the Philippines. 

Anyway, Grandpa always used to say, "the Admiral saw more action in the war than all of us boys, combined." As a supply ship commander, he was involved in several campaigns getting the LSTs to the beach, which meant coming under fire much of the time. He was at Guadalcanal, Luzon, and several other large landings. Family lore is that he was one of the architects of the method the Navy devised for getting men and material onto the beach under fire.

Towards the end of her life (she died three years ago just after turning 100), my grandmother (daughter of "the Admiral") told my son and me about sitting around the family table and hearing the adults discuss (and fear) the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau battlecruisers during the late 30s. For a kid who was fascinated by naval warfare, my son ate that up.

Naval duty was hard, with long periods of boredom, but hard work, on the open sea, and short bursts of terror, while most of the sailors were relying on other people to do the shooting, and hoping the big stuff wouldn't hit them.

I can't imagine visiting the Arizona without being profoundly moved. I certainly was.  

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« Reply #2662 on: December 08, 2023, 08:44:38 AM »
My Dad was in the USAAF, was radar operator on a B24 in the south Pacific that went down at some point.  He much later was awarded a PH.  He thought it had to have been enemy fire, but realistically I suspect it was engine problems.  Three of the crew of 10 survived floating in the ocean and were picked up by a US destroyer the next day.

The psychology back then of front line troops is fascinating to me, there was a saying "Golden Gate in 48", meaning they had five more years of war ahead of them and minimal chances of survival.  My Dad talked about big poker game that got played, he said he never played.

It's a bit odd really, but as noted above, a Captain in the Navy is the same rank as a Colonel in the Marines/Army (O6).  Similarly, a Lieutenant in the Navy is the same rank as a Captain in the Marines/Army (O3).  This can lead to some confusion when answering phones for example.

In between the Navy has Lt. Commander and Commander.

I always thought it odd that a Lt General outranks a Major General while a Major is well ahead of a first Lt.

So, while I never served, I am in possession of two Purple Hearts.  I also was given a "rifle Expert" medal by a Marine Major a while back, somewhat long story, and I found out last week he passed on at a way too early age, retired as a Lt. Colonel.  I shared a few stories privately with his wife but was unable to make the service.

He was a very fine fellow, Lt. Colonel Kirk Greiner.

Obituary information for LtCol. Kirk A. Greiner (springgroveobituaries.org)

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« Reply #2663 on: December 08, 2023, 09:57:46 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

John Lennon Shot by Mark David Chapman (1980)
While returning to his New York hotel with wife Yoko Ono one evening, John Lennon was shot and killed by Mark David Chapman, a delusional and possibly psychotic Beatles fan. Chapman eventually elected not to pursue an insanity defense and instead pled guilty to the murder, receiving a sentence of 20 years to life in prison. He has since been denied parole on several occasions. Rather than flee the scene after shooting Lennon, Chapman hung around and read a book until police arrived
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« Reply #2664 on: December 08, 2023, 10:09:12 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

John Lennon Shot by Mark David Chapman (1980)
While returning to his New York hotel with wife Yoko Ono one evening, John Lennon was shot and killed by Mark David Chapman, a delusional and possibly psychotic Beatles fan. Chapman eventually elected not to pursue an insanity defense and instead pled guilty to the murder, receiving a sentence of 20 years to life in prison. He has since been denied parole on several occasions. Rather than flee the scene after shooting Lennon, Chapman hung around and read a book until police arrived
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John Lennon was shot multiple times and killed while Yoko Ono was right next to him and unscathed. That is a strong argument that there can't be a God.

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« Reply #2665 on: December 09, 2023, 09:49:08 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

America's First Serving African-American Governor Takes Office (1872)
Born to a former slave and a white planter, Pinckney Pinchback was America's first African-American governor. During the American Civil War, he raised and led a company of black Union volunteers, called the Corps d'Afrique, in Union-held New Orleans. After the war, he was elected to the Louisiana senate and served as lieutenant governor. In 1872, he became governor when Henry Warmoth was impeached.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2666 on: December 10, 2023, 06:31:44 AM »
One of the less bright ideas in WW 2:

82 Years Ago Today - HMS Prince of Wales & HMS Repulse are sunk by Japanese aircraft off of Malaya - December 10, 1941

327 Personnel perished when HMS Prince of Wales sank, including Admiral Phillips and Captain Leach.
508 Personnel perished when HMS Repulse Sank.




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« Reply #2667 on: December 10, 2023, 02:15:57 PM »
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #2668 on: December 10, 2023, 02:17:09 PM »
ya see why VY didn't get the trophy?
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« Reply #2669 on: December 10, 2023, 02:25:40 PM »
One of the less bright ideas in WW 2:

82 Years Ago Today - HMS Prince of Wales & HMS Repulse are sunk by Japanese aircraft off of Malaya - December 10, 1941

327 Personnel perished when HMS Prince of Wales sank, including Admiral Phillips and Captain Leach.
508 Personnel perished when HMS Repulse Sank.

Churchill was ass for sending them,specially after the Imperial Japanese Navy just displayed in aces 3 days earlier what sea launched airpower was capable of. He couldn't bring himself to admit that Britania didn't rule the waves anymore.Japan had not only the biggest but most advanced NAVY afloat at the dawn of WWII
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« Reply #2670 on: December 10, 2023, 02:27:16 PM »
Tommie Frazier didn't get one either

1995 - Tommie
Comp -92
Att - 163
Pct - 56.4
yards - 1362
TDs - 17
INTs - 4
Rating - 156
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Atts - 97
Yards - 604
Avg - 6.2
TDs - 14
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« Reply #2671 on: December 10, 2023, 02:41:26 PM »
ya see why VY didn't get the trophy?
VY has gotten the old-timey halo treatment.  What does that mean?
A great player's reputation is absurdly elevated based on one fantastic game that everyone sees.
Like Roger Staubach.
Like Archie Manning.
It was much more prevalent back in the day. 
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VY was an okay passer.  A 163 rating is very good, but it's not all-time great.  He was an all-time great scrambler, but that's sort of a back-handed compliment for a QB.
His reputation is inflated due to his all-timer of a game vs USC.  The perceived slight of not winning the Heisman is also part of it.
But through no fault of his own, he lost the Heisman to arguably the best RB season ever.
Reggie Bush averaged 8.7 ypc on 200 carries.  And the receiving.  And the returns.  Only 1 other RB on a P5 team ever had a better ypc average on as many carries:  1971 Greg Pruitt, on an option offense.
Everyone else with a better ypc average had fewer carries or played on a G5 team.
So it's not like they just gave the trophy to some dude having an okay season.




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« Reply #2672 on: December 10, 2023, 02:52:02 PM »
yup, like TD Tommie's game vs the Gators

199 yards and two TDs on 16 carries. His yards were Nebraska bowl and Fiesta Bowl records for most yards rushing and set an NCAA bowl record for most yards rushing by a QB.

broken by Vince in the Rose
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« Reply #2673 on: December 10, 2023, 04:35:48 PM »
Correct.  
And the average fan doesn't realize his 75-yard run was due to the defenders attempting to strip the ball and failing to actually try to tackle him.
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