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« Reply #2506 on: October 04, 2023, 09:45:15 AM »
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I *THINK* that is a SoDak because it clearly has nine main guns in three turrets with two fore and one aft and the bow structure doesn't look long enough for it to be an Iowa. AM I right? I suppose it could be one of the North Carolina class.

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« Reply #2507 on: October 05, 2023, 09:56:58 AM »
Apparently Henry Ford was a Jew hater.  He published articles in a paper he owned repeatedly slamming Jews.  Even Hitler and the Nazi's admired him.  It is said that when he learned of the atrocities committed by the Nazi's against the Jews he suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and later died.  

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« Reply #2508 on: October 05, 2023, 02:13:47 PM »
Apparently Henry Ford was a Jew hater.  
He was indeed, it was not uncommon back then in the US.  Joseph Kennedy was a Hitler admirer as was Lindbergh, at least early on.  That doesn't mean they hated Jews, but they likely weren't fond of them.

I've known quite a few Jews in businesss and as neighbors.  Most of them, nearly all, were not "Observant" but were still Jewish.  I never had any issue with any of them.  I never really got the antisemitism thing.

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« Reply #2509 on: October 05, 2023, 03:12:23 PM »
He was indeed, it was not uncommon back then in the US.  Joseph Kennedy was a Hitler admirer as was Lindbergh, at least early on.  That doesn't mean they hated Jews, but they likely weren't fond of them.

I've known quite a few Jews in businesss and as neighbors.  Most of them, nearly all, were not "Observant" but were still Jewish.  I never had any issue with any of them.  I never really got the antisemitism thing.
Re Lindbergh:
I could be wrong, but I don't think that Lindbergh's reason for wanting America NOT to oppose the Germans was antisemitic. 

I think it was simply that Lindbergh, as a cutting-edge aviator, was impressed with German technology, didn't understand the difference between tactical advantages and strategic advantages, and thought the Germans were going to win. Ie, he didn't want his country to get enmeshed with a losing cause.

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« Reply #2510 on: October 05, 2023, 03:14:54 PM »
You are correct, I didn't mean they were antisemitic or that they hated Jews, just Hitler admirers at least early on.

I think by 1936 or so, folks could reasonably have admired Hitler for how Germany turned around.  It would have been tougher to see what was lying underneath.





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« Reply #2511 on: October 05, 2023, 03:17:44 PM »

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« Reply #2512 on: October 05, 2023, 03:43:33 PM »
You are correct, I didn't mean they were antisemitic or that they hated Jews, just Hitler admirers at least early on.

I think by 1936 or so, folks could reasonably have admired Hitler for how Germany turned around.  It would have been tougher to see what was lying underneath.
Plus, how much real information did they really have?  Silent movies were still a thing, all you pretty much had was newspaper accounts and maybe some of those "Movie Tone News" type stories.  I don't think the average person thought Hitler was a murdering maniac until at least the start of WWII, and didn't even really fully grasp the total picture until the holocausts became public knowledge, even German people (although I'll never be convinced they didn't suspect something dastardly was happening).  

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« Reply #2513 on: October 05, 2023, 04:23:27 PM »
I agree, Lindberg did visit Germany several times.  But he was "hosted" by Goering et al. and no doubt shown the nice things.  It was a recruiting trip.

I suspect some of us here would have admired Germany up to a point, they did some apparently admirable stuff, at first.  The downside was of course not publicized.

I give a lot of credit to William Shirer, a reporter over there, who tried to "tell us".  He later wrote an excellent book, which is a bit long, but worth reading.


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« Reply #2514 on: October 05, 2023, 05:01:54 PM »
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« Reply #2515 on: October 06, 2023, 09:20:55 AM »
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« Reply #2516 on: October 08, 2023, 08:15:37 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

The Great Chicago Fire (1871)
The Great Chicago Fire was a conflagration that burned for more than two days and destroyed about four square miles of the city. It killed hundreds of people, left 90,000 homeless, and destroyed some $200 million worth of property. Originally composed of mostly wooden structures, the city was rebuilt with stone and steel and became a center of industry. According to early accounts of the disaster, the blaze began in a barn owned by Patrick and Catherine O'Leary.
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« Reply #2517 on: October 08, 2023, 08:42:50 AM »
Mrs O'Leary was a scape goat - from what I read
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« Reply #2518 on: October 09, 2023, 07:04:42 AM »


We've tried making jokes about the noble gases, but we never get a reaction... Born in 1852 was Sir Willliam Ramsay FRS, Scottish chemist and Nobel winner for his discovery of the noble gases argon, neon, krypton and xenon.

Sir William Ramsay – Biographical - NobelPrize.org

I was musing about his lab equipment and wondering what capabilities he had there.   I presume he had some means of making things cold.  And that hardly is typical lab clothing of course.


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« Reply #2519 on: October 09, 2023, 07:09:02 AM »
Although argon is abundant in the Earth’s atmosphere, it evaded discovery until 1894 when Lord Rayleigh and William Ramsay first separated it from liquid air. In fact the gas had been isolated in 1785 by Henry Cavendish who had noted that about 1% of air would not react even under the most extreme conditions. That 1% was argon.

Argon was discovered as a result of trying to explain why the density of nitrogen extracted from air differed from that obtained by the decomposition of ammonia.
Ramsay removed all the nitrogen from the gas he had extracted from air, and did this by reacting it with hot magnesium, forming the solid magnesium nitride. He was then left with a gas that would not react and when he examined its spectrum he saw new groups of red and green lines, confirming that it was a new element.



Argon - Element information, properties and uses | Periodic Table (rsc.org)

 

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