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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2338 on: August 15, 2023, 04:48:03 PM »
And now it looks like this:



And stores over 7 million times as much data.

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« Reply #2339 on: August 15, 2023, 04:58:25 PM »
And now it looks like this:

[img width=274.381 height=328]https://i.imgur.com/KK4iRqQ.jpg[/img]

And stores over 7 million times as much data.
Cost has dropped even faster than size.

In lawschool we had a case involving data storage leasing. The case was from the 70's and Ross Perot's company had leased IIRC something like 10mb of storage for many thousands of dollars.

When I was in college (mid 90's) a lot of departments at tOSU had enormous stacks of punchcards that were being used as notepads because the cards were no longer needed.

Also, my first email account was through the university. I didn't have a PC (very few students did) so I had to access it through a computer-lab school computer. However, storage was still an issue so the University wouldn't store your messages after you downloaded them. Consequently, you had to bring a floppy disc with you in order to read/send email.

The Iomega Zip Disc was a HUMONGOUS improvement for thus for two reasons:
  • It had LOTS more storage, 100mb instead of 1.44, and
  • It was MUCH more durable. Zip Discs were contained in a hard plastic case that could take some punishment.



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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2340 on: August 15, 2023, 05:15:46 PM »
Cost has dropped even faster than size.

In lawschool we had a case involving data storage leasing. The case was from the 70's and Ross Perot's company had leased IIRC something like 10mb of storage for many thousands of dollars.

When I was in college (mid 90's) a lot of departments at tOSU had enormous stacks of punchcards that were being used as notepads because the cards were no longer needed.

Also, my first email account was through the university. I didn't have a PC (very few students did) so I had to access it through a computer-lab school computer. However, storage was still an issue so the University wouldn't store your messages after you downloaded them. Consequently, you had to bring a floppy disc with you in order to read/send email.

The Iomega Zip Disc was a HUMONGOUS improvement for thus for two reasons:
  • It had LOTS more storage, 100mb instead of 1.44, and
  • It was MUCH more durable. Zip Discs were contained in a hard plastic case that could take some punishment.

LOL... I was just barely behind you... College 96-00. 

Had my own PC, but then I was already a computer geek and going into electrical engineering, so that was pretty much a necessity. 

And I was *all* about the Zipdrive... One of the engineering labs had them on their PC, and had a BLAZING fast internet connection, so guess how I built my MP3 collection at the time :57:

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« Reply #2341 on: August 15, 2023, 06:17:07 PM »
Undergrad from 90-94 for me.  Honestly it was a pretty golden time to be an electrical engineering student, and later an electrical engineer.

At UT all electrical engineering students had an email address, and we could access our accounts via the Vax dumb terminals or Sun Sparcstations in the main CS computer lab.  The Sparcstations had a phone jack where a special phone handset could be plugged in and you could use the internet to place a call to someone else with the same setup, the earliest VoIP I ever encountered.  I had a friend at Princeton and we used to talk all the time.  Well, talk, and design and operate MUDs.

But my sophomore year I used some of my scholarship stipend to buy a PC, it was an off-brand (Packard Bell) with a screaming Intel 486 DX2 66 MHz CPU, 8M RAM, 500M hard drive, and any other ridiculous, dated spec of the time.  But I was at least able to dial-in to UT's servers via my lightning quick 14.4Kbaud modem, and do some of my assignments, check email, plus, you know, play online games... like MUDs.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2342 on: August 15, 2023, 06:25:06 PM »
Wow, undergrad 1972-1975 here.  029 card punch

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« Reply #2343 on: August 15, 2023, 06:28:42 PM »
Undergrad from 90-94 for me.  Honestly it was a pretty golden time to be an electrical engineering student, and later an electrical engineer.
Any good stories from 94-00 in the industry? 

I obviously entered the industry--especially in Silicon Valley--right as the roller coaster was cresting the peak and then going HARD downhill... So most of my initial entry to the industry was pain. 

But every sales guy I know who was around in those late-90s years talk about how insane it was. It was a height of an industry that I don't know I'll ever see.

Wondering if you had some of that or not...

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« Reply #2344 on: August 15, 2023, 07:32:33 PM »
Why would he tell you? Ya might move there
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #2345 on: August 16, 2023, 07:54:54 AM »


This was a wedding/honeymoon destination back in the day.  When I was a kid, the area had really gone downhill.  The state bought up some land and made a nice state park and today the village is somewhat "bacK", the SP is quite nice, they built stairs going down with something like 600 steps into the canyon and then a bridge across the river.


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« Reply #2346 on: August 16, 2023, 02:20:30 PM »
LOL... I was just barely behind you... College 96-00.

Had my own PC, but then I was already a computer geek and going into electrical engineering, so that was pretty much a necessity.
This is something that has always fascinated me, the speed at which computers became prevalent.  

I graduated HS in 1993 which was just before the release of Netscape Navigator.  Back then I knew a couple people who had PC's in their houses but with barely any internet* it was only worthwhile if you were running a business doing payroll or something like that.  A lot of people had word processors which at your age (just three years younger), you probably barely even remember.  

A couple quick anecdotes:
When I moved in to my dorm freshman year at Ohio State in September, 1993 I was on a floor that (guessing, this was 30 years ago) had about 70 guys living on it.  Out of all 70 of us, ONE guy had a PC.  Then there were two or three word processors.  

My brother is 5-1/2 years younger than me and was six grades behind me in school.  In September, 1999 I helped move him into his dorm at Ohio State.  He lived in a room that was like a suite with four guys.  They had two bedrooms and a shared common area and bathroom.  Between them those four guys had FIVE computers (all four had PC's and one also had a laptop).  So between 1993 and 1999 the ratio of Computers to Students that I anecdotally observed increased from 1:70 to 5:4.  That is insane.  

Second anecdote, chatrooms:
One evening during my sophomore year at Ohio State some friends of mine and I went to visit a girl I had known in HS and her roommates.  We (guys) were all sophomores and the girls were all freshman, ONE year younger.  So we get there and they are in something on AOL called a "chatroom".  We (remember, only ONE year older) had literally never heard of such a thing and couldn't figure out why anyone would spend time in one.  

*Pre-Netscape Internet:
Netscape was a modern-ish browser.  If you could make an early-90's version of it work today, a modern person would recognize the basic arrangement.  Prior to netscape (ie, when I was in HS) there was an internet but only serious computer geeks were on it.  There were no search engines and the interface was just text on black screen so it was useless unless you REALLY knew what you were doing and even then it was only somewhat useful compared to today's internet.  
And I was *all* about the Zipdrive... One of the engineering labs had them on their PC, and had a BLAZING fast internet connection, so guess how I built my MP3 collection at the time :57:
That zip disc was a gigantic improvement.  

Ohio State's email program when I was in school was I think called Eudora or something like that.  I mentioned that you HAD to have a disc in order to access it.  That was because storage was expensive enough that the University refused to store your incoming or outgoing messages after you received or sent them.  To keep that off of their storage they dumped your incoming messages to your disc then deleted them from their servers to free up space.  Similarly, your outgoing messages sent from your disc to the University's servers then out and the University immediately deleted them.  

If you lost or damaged your disc (this happened more than once to me) all of your old messages were just gone.  You had to get a new disc and then when you signed in you'd get your new messages but you would NOT get anything that had previously been downloaded to your old disc.  

The other thing was that when you were "ON" your email, it wasn't "live".  I would go to the computer lab, put my disc in, and hit "send/retrieve".  Any outgoing messages that I hadn't already sent would be sent and any incoming messages that I hadn't previously received would be loaded to my disc.  Then when I was "on" my email, I was just working on my disc.  So if I had a message from you, a message from @utee94 , a message from my dad (my brother had gotten him onto email), and a message from my brother, I'd answer but my answers weren't "sent" they were just pushed to the "outbox" on my disc.  Then, before I left I needed to remember to hit "send/retrieve" again so that those four messages would send.  More than once I forgot that step and then went back a day or two later and couldn't understand why someone I had typed an email to hadn't replied yet.  Duh, it was because I had typed but not sent my email.  

Even if something like this still existed, a modern programmer would obviously include a prompt at log-out to remind you that you had unsent messages in your outbox but back then there was no such thing.  If you forgot to hit "send/retrieve" and just logged out your messages just sat on your disc until the next time you logged in and hit send/retrieve.  If you lost or damaged your disc in the meantime, your messages just disappeared.  

Initially I was doing all of this on the old 3.5" 1.44mb floppy discs.  1.44mb actually sounded like a lot to us back then but if you were relatively active on email it filled up pretty quickly and you'd have to go through and purge old messages to make room for new ones.  

The other problem with the 3.5" floppy discs was that they were NOT very robust.  Since you had to carry your email disc with you all the time I knew a lot of people at tOSU who either lost or damaged theirs.  I remember when I first saw an Iomega Zip Disc.  I was at Long's Bookstore (famous long-term store across the street from the Ohio State campus) and next to the 3.5" floppy discs they had this thing that was roughly the same size but had a hard shell case and held 70x the data.  I think I paid $150 for mine and used it for my email for the rest of my time at Ohio State.  

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« Reply #2347 on: August 16, 2023, 02:26:09 PM »
The context of this discussion is a good place for this observation:
When I was in HS (1989-1993) cellphones existed but mostly only VERY highly paid sales types had them because they cost thousands of dollars to buy and hundreds of dollars per month to use.  

The internet existed but as a practical matter it didn't.  It was there for a few computer geeks but it had no bearing whatsoever on the larger popular culture.  

In a way I think that my HS experience was more similar to people 25+ years older than me than it was to people 5-10 years younger.  By the time I graduated from college in 1997 I had my own PC AND my own cellphone.  When I started HS in 1989 it would have been unthinkable for a 21 year old who hadn't started a job yet to have those things.  

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« Reply #2348 on: August 16, 2023, 02:41:23 PM »

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« Reply #2349 on: August 16, 2023, 02:45:54 PM »
I began college in 1984 and finished in 1994. Tons of changes in those years.
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« Reply #2350 on: August 16, 2023, 02:49:57 PM »
We had an Apple II+ on a roller cart when I started work in 1980.  The section shared it.  It had both paper tape and a casette deck for data storage.  There was a program called Visicalc which was fairly useful, it was like an early Excel.  I wish I had bought some Apple stock back then ...

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« Reply #2351 on: August 16, 2023, 03:05:27 PM »
Graduated HS in '94.  Never even heard of the internet back then, only vaguely aware that there was something called "the information superhighway".  Didn't really know what that meant.  Never heard of email.  

College freshman in fall '94, teacher/professor is writing her syllabus on the marker board (not chalk!) and she writes her email address.  something.something@something.edu.  I remember thinking "what the hell is email"?  And why so many @, never used it before the mid 90's.  

My HS buddy had a sweet 486 computer at that time, but not many people I knew had computers, other than business owners.  Seems like we dialed up a few BBS, but there wasn't much to it.  Between '94/96 almost everybody I knew got a PC with Windows.  I remember Win 95 being a really big deal.  A few people in the 80's/early 90's had PC's with DOS, and Win 3.1 was neat.  I never knew anybody with a Mac. But there was so many PC's back in the 80's/90's like the Commodore 64 and all the Atari machines and Tandy's that nothing seemed to dominate.  

First year at A&M '96 I didn't have a PC when I started but I had one middle of the first semester or maybe early 2nd semester, Packard Bell with a Pentium 133 MHZ and 1 MB video Ram.  Zip disks became a really big thing, I had an external (still have it in fact).  

I never had email until I started at A&M.  You could log in from a terminal to some kind of VAX system, and there was a program (simple text based) you can read and send emails.  I don't recall needing a floppy disk.  I remember seeing this girl who lived in a dorm, and they had some kind of shared room on the floor with the terminals (monochrome monitor and keyboard, not even sure there was a mouse) and I logged in and opened my email and a buddy who was in the Navy had sent me an email a few months before I didn't even know it because I had never used it.  Wish I still had that email.  

The university had a dial in modem bank that you could call (included with tuition) and get on the internet, even in '96.  I do remember that you could get a client, like Eudora and one other one I can't recall the name of, and use email from your PC.  The university had a T1 connection, or something, and it was a big deal at the time.  People who lived in dorms had something called ethernet.  One guy had a CD burner and you could toss him a few bucks and some blank CD's and he could make you a playlist. 

A&M at the time had computer labs all over, Win 95 computers, mostly 486 and early Pentium and you could log in anywhere and retrieve your desktop and files, a lot like today in my company.  It was just rows and rows of desks with Gateway or Dell computers.  Some later had zip drives, and we used Napster and pirated the hell out of some music ('99).  

But the speed of all of this happening was indeed fast.  I remember I had a chemistry class in my 1st or 2nd semester that you had to do your homework on the internet.  It was tough, because all the units etc had to be just right.  Within a few years you couldn't imagine life without the internet.   


 

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