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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1764 on: April 28, 2023, 04:16:35 PM »
Hezârfen Ahmet Çelebi was the first man to fly a significant distance, using artificial wings to fly across the Bosporus Straits in the 17th century, thus making the world’s first intercontinental flight 270 years before the Wright Brothers.
I'm calling BS,how far are these straits? And of course they had to be artificial wings. If they stated glider then that would be feasible
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1765 on: April 28, 2023, 04:32:56 PM »

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« Reply #1766 on: April 28, 2023, 04:54:24 PM »
I'm with Nubbz on this one. I'm not saying he didn't do what is claimed, but apparently this comes from the writings of ONE person. 

He was then exiled to Algeria, lived 8-10 more years, and there is no additional information about continued experiments with flight, advances, or even repeating similar feats. 

Nor is there any evidence of this spurring any further experiments from anyone else based on his proof of concept. Clearly neither Turkey nor Algeria became hotbeds of unpowered flight that I'm aware of. 



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« Reply #1767 on: April 28, 2023, 05:51:17 PM »
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« Reply #1768 on: April 28, 2023, 11:28:35 PM »

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« Reply #1769 on: April 29, 2023, 05:48:00 AM »
The Bosporus is 19 miles (30 km) long and has a maximum width of 2.3 miles (3.7 km) at the northern entrance and a minimum width of 2,450 feet (750 metres) between the Ottoman fortifications of Rumelihisarı and Anadoluhisarı. Its depth varies from 120 to 408 feet (36.5 to 124 metres) in midstream. In its centre a rapid current flows from the Black Sea to the Sea of Marmara, but a countercurrent below the surface carries water of greater salinity from the Sea of Marmara to the Black Sea. The Bosporus is heavily fished, since the channel is a seasonal migration route for fish to and from the Black Sea. Both shores are well wooded and are dotted with villages, resorts, and fine residences and villas.


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« Reply #1770 on: April 29, 2023, 09:14:03 AM »
First delivery of Coca-Cola to Knoxville, 1919.

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« Reply #1771 on: April 29, 2023, 11:29:12 AM »
1885 – Florida’s first four-year institution of higher learning was incorporated in central Florida on this date. Named after prominent Chicago businessman and early benefactor, Alonzo Rollins, Rollins College was established by New England Congregationalists who wanted to bring their style of liberal education to what was then the wild Florida frontier. Classes officially began on November 4, 1885. The campus now covers eighty acres within the historic city of Winter Park, with an approximate student population of 4,000 undergraduates and graduates.

(Coincidentally, UGA was chartered in 1785.)

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« Reply #1772 on: April 30, 2023, 08:44:58 AM »
Founded in 1752 as an animal menagerie by Emperor Franz Stephan, Vienna’s Schönbrunn Tiergarten is the oldest zoo in the world.
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« Reply #1773 on: April 30, 2023, 09:04:39 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Hitler Commits Suicide (1945)
In the final days of World War II, as the Red Army of the Soviet Union was closing in on his underground bunker in Berlin, Nazi leader Adolf Hitler committed suicide by shooting himself while simultaneously biting into a cyanide capsule. Hitler's body and that of Eva Braun—his mistress whom he had wed the day before—were then placed in a bomb crater, doused with gasoline, and set on fire by German officials.
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« Reply #1774 on: April 30, 2023, 02:26:20 PM »
Judge Roy Bean (c. 1825 - March 16, 1903) was an American saloonkeeper and justice of the peace in Vale Verde County, Texas, in the late 19th century. He gained notoriety for his unusual rulings and questionable legal authority. He called himself the "The Only Law West of the Pecos" and held court in his saloon, encouraging attendees to purchase liquor while he dispensed justice. Fictional Western films called him "The Hanging Judge," although he was only known to have sentenced two men to hang, one of which escaped.

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« Reply #1776 on: May 03, 2023, 09:01:11 AM »

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1777 on: May 03, 2023, 11:33:17 AM »
I'd like to add and discuss some "counter-narrative" history. I hope at least some posters find that interesting. 

I'll start with two issues related to the Battle of Gettysburg:

  • It wasn't REALLY a mistake for Lee to order what became known as Pickett's Charge on July 3, 1863.
  • Meade shouldn't REALLY be blamed for failing to destroy to Army of Northern Virginia after the battle.

WRT #1:
The conventional narrative is that the Union line was more-or-less impenetrable and Lee's frontal assault on it was a catastrophically bad decision. Even before the attack, most of Lee's subordinates felt this way. Ironically, General Pickett who will forever be known for the charge that bears his name was one of those who thought the idea was near madness. 

Obviously with 20/20 hindsight Pickett and Lee's other subordinates were correct, the attack WAS a bad idea. I'll even add that, on a tactical level, it was a fairly obviously bad idea before it was launched. 

That said, I actually think that Lee made the right decision for strategic rather than tactical reasons. The macro-strategic situation for the Confederacy was already bad in the summer of 1863 and it was deteriorating rapidly:
  • Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation issued after Antietam had effectively eliminated the chance of support for the Confederacy from any major European power.
  • The South's industrial base was a pathetic fraction of the North's.
  • The Union's population was substantially larger than the Confederacy's such that Northern battle losses were being replaced and the Grand Army of the Republic was actually growing. The Confederacy's losses were irreplaceable. 
Charging at the Union fishook at Gettysburg was bad tactically but it made strategic sense because it was the best chance the Confederates could realistically hope for. If they had waited and tried again in the summer of 1864, they would have been outnumbered and outgunned more severely than they were on July 3, 1863.

WRT #2:
Shortly after the battle Lincoln reportedly said of Meade that he "had the Confederate Army in the palm of his hand and let them slip away" or words to the effect. 

This all stems from the geography of the battle. The Confederate (Southern) line was actually North of the Union (Northern) line. In theory then, once the Union won the battle, they should have been able to prevent the Confederates from escaping back to their supplies. 

The conventional narrative is that Meade missed a golden opportunity that should have been obvious to him. Had he acted to prevent their escape, the Confederates could have been trapped in hostile territory in Pennsylvania with dwindling supplies of food and ammunition and the entire Army of Northern Virginia could have been killed or captured. 

For many years I believed this, but I wanted to know more. Particularly, I couldn't understand how a military man trained in such things could possibly have overlooked the opportunity that seemed so obvious to me and had seemed so to Lincoln as well. 

A few years ago I read Retreat from Gettysburg, Lee, Logistics, and the Pennsylvania Campaign because I wanted to find out. The book credits Lee for his handling of the retreat (escape really) and explains Meade's hesitations. 

The short version is that Lee did a masterful job of masking his location, direction, and intentions and that Meade had plenty of his own problems to deal with. 

In retrospect, Lee's Army was critically low on ammunition and Meade probably should have been able to guess that was the case. However, Meade didn't KNOW that. What he KNEW was that his own army was bloodied and low on ammunition and Meade was hesitant to get into a battle without having enough ammunition to actually fight. 

 

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