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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1750 on: April 27, 2023, 07:32:55 AM »
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« Reply #1751 on: April 27, 2023, 08:12:58 AM »
Hezârfen Ahmet Çelebi was the first man to fly a significant distance, using artificial wings to fly across the Bosporus Straits in the 17th century, thus making the world’s first intercontinental flight 270 years before the Wright Brothers.
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« Reply #1752 on: April 27, 2023, 08:27:42 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Steamboat Sultana Sinks (1865)
The steamboat Sultana was a Mississippi River paddle-wheeler destroyed when one of its boilers exploded near Memphis, Tennessee. The greatest maritime disaster in US history, an estimated 1,800 of its 2,400 passengers, many of whom were Union soldiers who had just been released from Confederate prison camps, were killed when it sank. Bodies of the victims continued to be found downriver for months, yet the disaster received somewhat diminished attention
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« Reply #1753 on: April 27, 2023, 11:13:40 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

Steamboat Sultana Sinks (1865)
The steamboat Sultana was a Mississippi River paddle-wheeler destroyed when one of its boilers exploded near Memphis, Tennessee. The greatest maritime disaster in US history, an estimated 1,800 of its 2,400 passengers, many of whom were Union soldiers who had just been released from Confederate prison camps, were killed when it sank. Bodies of the victims continued to be found downriver for months, yet the disaster received somewhat diminished attention
This was a very sad catastrophe. As you mentioned, many of the victims were Union Soldiers who had spent years in deadly Confederate POW Camps. They were finally on their way home.

Imagine being a parent:
Your son has been MIA for months or even years and you FINALLY get a letter from him in early 1865 letting you know that they are alive, safe, and on their way home. Then you get a letter from the War Department stating that the Secretary of the War Department regrets to inform you that your son perished in the sinking of the Sultana on the Mississippi River near Memphis.

Sultana had a legal capacity of 376 but left Vicksburg with a total of 2,130 aboard. They were so heavily overloaded because the Union was paying $2.75 per soldier and $8 per officer for transit North. Sultana's Captain paid a kickback to the Union Officer at Vicksburg for the lucrative business.

Most of the victims were from Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan and for decades after the disaster they met annually on the anniversary in Toledo. The last Northern survivor war Private John Barr of the 15th MVI who died at 93 in 1938.

The wreck was discovered in 1982. It is beneath a soybean field on the West (Arkansas) side of the river about four miles from Memphis. The wreck is miles from the current river channel due to changes in river course over the intervening years.

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« Reply #1754 on: April 27, 2023, 11:15:28 AM »
News of the Sultana disaster was overshadowed by news of the killing of John Wilkes Booth the day before. 

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« Reply #1755 on: April 28, 2023, 08:39:52 AM »
Grumman TBF/TBM Avenger. This ugly torpedo bomber first entered service with the US Navy in 1942. Not all effective military aircraft look great. The Avenger was the heaviest single-engine aircraft of World War Two – a dumpy, carrier-based torpedo bomber that was said to handle “like a truck” and gained the affectionate but decidedly unglamorous nickname “Turkey” amongst its crews



The TBMs were built by General Motors, hence the "M".  A bit of an unsung hero in my view, could do it all, nearly.  The Dauntless got most of the accolades.

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« Reply #1756 on: April 28, 2023, 11:24:53 AM »

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« Reply #1757 on: April 28, 2023, 11:44:53 AM »
Grumman TBF/TBM Avenger. This ugly torpedo bomber first entered service with the US Navy in 1942. Not all effective military aircraft look great. The Avenger was the heaviest single-engine aircraft of World War Two – a dumpy, carrier-based torpedo bomber that was said to handle “like a truck” and gained the affectionate but decidedly unglamorous nickname “Turkey” amongst its crews



The TBMs were built by General Motors, hence the "M".  A bit of an unsung hero in my view, could do it all, nearly.  The Dauntless got most of the accolades.

I don't think it looks that bad, assuming the missing chunk of wing was not part of the intentional design...

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1758 on: April 28, 2023, 12:07:22 PM »
I bet it pulled to the right
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« Reply #1759 on: April 28, 2023, 01:54:31 PM »
It might pull left because of less drag on that side, I can't tell if the rudder is off neutral.  Those were pretty tough planes with good engines, a Double Wasp I think.


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« Reply #1760 on: April 28, 2023, 02:18:55 PM »
It might pull left because of less drag on that side, I can't tell if the rudder is off neutral.  Those were pretty tough planes with good engines, a Double Wasp I think.


hard to have more drag with half your wing gone 

glad Im not the one finding it out
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1761 on: April 28, 2023, 02:33:21 PM »
If there is less drag off his left wing it would pull left.

The basic function of a wing is to convert drag into lift.

(On the other hand, the structure on the left wing could generate more drag from vortices etc.)

I was checking on how much it would cost for me to get current flying again, it wouldn't be cheap at all.  I'd need the basic gear, a headset, flight bag, maps (?), a medical exam ($120 or so), and then probably ten hours of dual ($150 each?).

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1762 on: April 28, 2023, 03:27:39 PM »
good engines, a Double Wasp I think.
Twin Cyclone.
The two engines are similar in that both are two row radial engines.

Wright built the Twin Cyclone. It was a 14 cylinder two tow radial of 42.7L displacement that produced about 1,750 HP although some late-war variants approached 2,000 HP.

In addition to the Avenger, it was also used in the Helldiver and B25 among other uses.

Pratt and Whitney built the Double Wasp. It was an 18 cylinder two row radial of 46L displacement that produced 2,100 HP.

The Double Wasp was used in the P47 Thunderbolt, the F6F Hellcat, the F4U Corsair, the B26, and many other machines.

Being much older, the B17 used a Wright Cyclone which was a single row nine cylinder radial of a "mere" 30L displacement that produced a "mere" 1,000 HP.

The B29 used a Wright 18 cylinder two row radial known as the Wright Duplex Cyclone. This one had a displacement of 55L and produced 2,200 HP initially, increasing to 3,700 HP in later models.

One of the advantages of the radial engines was that they were usually air cooled which tended to improve survivability because they couldn’t be taken down by a hit to the radiator. The USN and USAAF, as you can see from the above lists, obviously valued this. OTOH, the liquid cooled V engines preferred by the British and also used on a decent number of American aircraft tended to be more efficient (in part because they had a vastly smaller leading edge and therefore less drag) and longer lasting because liquid cooled engines tend to have vastly better heat distribution.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1763 on: April 28, 2023, 03:29:46 PM »
It all started with the Gnome Rhone (more or less) ...


 

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