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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1260 on: November 11, 2022, 09:21:46 AM »
Campbell's Soup

After completing his doctorate in Germany, John T. Dorrance declined prestigious academic posts to work in his uncle's canning factory—the Joseph Campbell Preserve Company—in Camden, New Jersey. In 1897, he began replicating in condensed form the soups he had enjoyed in Europe. By 1904, his soups dominated company sales. Still famous today for its soups, Campbell's is also known for its iconic cans, immortalized by Andy Warhol. One of his soup artworks sold for $11.8 million.
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« Reply #1261 on: November 11, 2022, 10:06:46 AM »
Pretty  sure the cans were etched on the country's psyche before Warhol painted them different colors.never understood why he was considered so great.Rockwell there was great American Artist - IMHO of course
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« Reply #1262 on: November 11, 2022, 10:28:20 AM »
When Surrender Was Worse Than Death: 8 Realities about Life at Andersonville Prison During the Civil War

Andersonville was no worse than other camps
Call bullshit on that.What other prison camp had 33,000 deaths? I'd watch Ken Burns,PBS docu.Some years ago i picked up a book on the local soldiers back in the day that had fought in the "Late Unpleasantness".They had last names of many of the roads/streets around here now.Anyway the book had the written correspondence between a soldier (in the western theater) and his wife back here.

 The letters were unbelievable,they were so much better at writing than we today as that was really their only form of communicating abroad.So they took their time and were all inclusive.No phone,internet etc there were telegraphs but that cost money. The back and forth letters informing each other of the goings on was brilliant.Then one day the letters from the front stopped.It turned out he was captured and sent to Andersonville and never heard from again.Because of the letters the reader felt that they knew him.Finding out his fate was ghastly as it was indeed real.
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« Reply #1263 on: November 11, 2022, 11:07:05 AM »
can't be bullshite

I found it on FB
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« Reply #1264 on: November 11, 2022, 11:07:40 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Battle of Taranto (1940)
The Battle of Taranto during World War II marked the first all-aircraft naval attack in history. The results were definitive, as British planes destroyed much of the Italian fleet anchored in Taranto, in an arm of the Ionian Sea. The battle is seen as a turning point in military history, marking the end of the reign of "big-gun" battleships and leading to the rise of naval air power. Certain aspects of the attack were studied as part of the planning for what other notorious aerial assault?
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« Reply #1265 on: November 11, 2022, 11:12:12 AM »
can't be bullshite

I found it on FB
Well that settles it but they did lay off what?12,000 employees so you get what you pay for
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« Reply #1266 on: November 11, 2022, 11:13:31 AM »
first to go were the "fact checkers"?
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« Reply #1267 on: November 11, 2022, 11:24:21 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

Battle of Taranto (1940)
The Battle of Taranto during World War II marked the first all-aircraft naval attack in history. The results were definitive, as British planes destroyed much of the Italian fleet anchored in Taranto, in an arm of the Ionian Sea. The battle is seen as a turning point in military history, marking the end of the reign of "big-gun" battleships and leading to the rise of naval air power. 
And the Dumb ass Churchill after Pearl Harbor sent HMS Repulse and Prince of Wales to their doom in the South China Sea without air cover.Both sunk by torpedos from subs and aircraft
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« Reply #1268 on: November 11, 2022, 12:57:06 PM »
"Dumb ass Churchill" is not something I see everyday. He was a flawed person, no doubt, with more than a little hubris, and more than one tactical error to his name (with ugly casualty counts to show for them). And he was exactly what the world needed in 1940--flaws and all.

Talk about weird. Humans are weird--and can be both great and terrible all wrapped up in the same skin.

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« Reply #1269 on: November 11, 2022, 01:09:24 PM »
He had an inflasted view of his own greatness - fine statesman had no business directing military affairs.Based on the 40+ books I've read on WW2 is where i found out about his foibles.He may have been what England needed in 40-41-42 after that his constant support of Montgomery after he sacked much better commanders cost the allies time and lives
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1270 on: November 11, 2022, 01:11:24 PM »
similar to Ryan Day's playcalling
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« Reply #1271 on: November 11, 2022, 01:12:37 PM »
I have no problem with Day's playcalling.He could recruit more big uglies 
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« Reply #1272 on: November 11, 2022, 01:21:04 PM »
well, not all of Ryan's play calls work

I don't have a problem with Winston's military directives
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« Reply #1273 on: November 11, 2022, 02:30:14 PM »
He had an inflasted view of his own greatness - fine statesman had no business directing military affairs.Based on the 40+ books I've read on WW2 is where i found out about his foibles.He may have been what England needed in 40-41-42 after that his constant support of Montgomery after he sacked much better commanders cost the allies time and lives

I agree with this, but I would say it was more than just England. His refusal to cower before the Nazi war machine not only inspired the English (and Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish) to keep up the fight, but also allowed the Allies time to gear up for winning the war. Better historians than me have speculated about what would have transpired if the UK had folded when other leaders would have recommended that, but my shorthand view is that the Reich would have cemented quite a hold on Europe with terrible consequences for humanity.

And that's my point--he was a great man for the time; he was the man the time required. I worry when people conflate that with an idealized man--one without flaws. He had flaws--deep ones. And the UK was probably correct to depose him in 1944 because by then his flaws had overtaken the utility of his stubborn will and masterful cheerleading. I won't forgive him his faults, but I nonetheless think he deserves his good reputation.

 

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