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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1204 on: October 29, 2022, 12:38:26 PM »
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1205 on: October 29, 2022, 12:54:20 PM »
Early in WWII in the Pacific Theater the Japanese Zero was vastly superior to anything the USA had flying.As they had already been fighting in China for a while and we were coming out of the Depression and weren't spending/developing any war related hardware .Any way some Naval Airman invented "the Weave" where they'd criss-cross each other and shoot any Zeros trailing the other pilot. This formation had the guys name but I don't recall it
The Zero was superior at some things but it is an overstatement to say that it was "vastly superior".

The Zero was designed to maximize maneuverability and range so it was very good at those things but there were tradeoffs. It was not armored anywhere near to degree that American fighters were. Also, the lightweight construction resulted in a flimsy plane that couldn't match American fighters in a dive.

Early in the war some American pilots tried to dogfight with Zeros and those American pilots were mostly shot down because the Zero was a vastly superior dogfighter.

Later, American Pilots learned to use their fighters' relative superiorities to their advantage. P38 pilots, for example, learned that while trying to dogfight with a Zero was nearly suicidal, their machines were much faster and it didn't take much to knock down a Zero so the tactic they learned was to keep the throttle wide open and try to hit Zeros during high speed passes.

Thatch's weave was another highly successful tactic. It drew a trailing Zero through the guns gunsites of the wingman.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1206 on: October 29, 2022, 01:12:48 PM »
A great example of design trade-offs is self-sealing tanks. Most people know that the Zero didn't have them, a lot of people don't know why.

For years I just assumed that the Japanese lacked either the technology or the raw materials to make self-sealing tanks. Nope. They knew how and they had the raw materials. 

The Japanese chose not to use self-sealing tanks because the rubber bladder that created a self-sealing tank took up space and thus reduced fuel capacity which in turn reduced range. The Japanese chose to prioritize range over survivability. 

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1207 on: October 30, 2022, 08:02:21 AM »


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« Reply #1208 on: October 30, 2022, 08:55:44 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 
The Rumble in the Jungle (1974)
The "Rumble in the Jungle" pitted boxer Muhammad Ali against heavyweight champion George Foreman in Zaire—now the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The match is remembered for Ali's incredible performance in regaining the heavyweight title. Surrounded by spellbound fans, he used a strategy later dubbed the "rope-a-dope" to tire Foreman before winning in the eighth round. This fight was Don King's first major venture as a professional boxing promoter.
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« Reply #1209 on: October 30, 2022, 09:41:19 AM »
The Convair X-6 was a proposed experimental aircraft project to develop and evaluate a nuclear-powered jet aircraft. The project was to use a Convair B-36 bomber as a testbed aircraft, and though one NB-36H was modified during the early stages of the project, the program was canceled before the actual X-6 and its nuclear reactor engines were completed. The X-6 was part of a larger series of programs, costing US$7 billion in all, that ran from 1946 through 1961. Because such an aircraft's range would not have been limited by liquid jet fuel, it was theorized that nuclear-powered strategic bombers would be able to stay airborne for weeks at a time


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« Reply #1210 on: October 31, 2022, 09:32:00 AM »
Halloween is a holiday celebrated each year on October 31, and Halloween 2021 will occur on Sunday, October 31. The tradition originated with the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain, when people would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off ghosts.


The first Jack O’Lanterns were actually made from turnips.
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« Reply #1211 on: October 31, 2022, 09:44:19 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

The Battle of Britain Is Won (1940)
The Battle of Britain was the first major German failure in World War II. The Royal Air Force (RAF), outgunned and outmanned, nevertheless defeated the German Luftwaffe and thwarted Hitler's plan for an amphibious invasion, which he had hoped would end the war quickly. The event was not only a testament to the courage of British pilots, but it also marked the first time a major battle was fought entirely in the air and featured the first use of radar in battle.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1212 on: October 31, 2022, 10:18:03 AM »
A great example of design trade-offs is self-sealing tanks. Most people know that the Zero didn't have them, a lot of people don't know why.
Fire supression systems aboard the Yorktown and other new vessels kept them from getting sunk.When the japanese bombed it a 2nd time they thought it was another ship as they didn't think anything could take that pounding.It still wasn't sunk after the 2nd bombing and was finally sent to the bottom by a subs torpedo
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« Reply #1213 on: October 31, 2022, 10:21:07 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

The Battle of Britain Is Won (1940)
The Battle of Britain was the first major German failure in World War II. The Royal Air Force (RAF), outgunned and outmanned, nevertheless defeated the German Luftwaffe and thwarted Hitler's plan for an amphibious invasion, which he had hoped would end the war quickly. The event was not only a testament to the courage of British pilots, but it also marked the first time a major battle was fought entirely in the air and featured the first use of radar in battle.
Goring was an idiot.The Luftwaffe was getting the upper hand then he started directing bombing of civilian targets.Had the Gerries stuck to radar installations it could have been game - set - match
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1214 on: October 31, 2022, 10:45:57 AM »
I think Hitler couldn't believe GB would hold out.  He was offering relatively generous terms, he didn't want to invade GB, and waited way too late to even start planning.  Realistically, most leaders of GB at the time would have caved and taken the terms.  One can imagine what would have ensued, the Wehrmacht would have been able to push most of its force East for the attack on the SU and likely had some level of trade now with GB and perhaps even us.  

I see it as perhaps the central key to the war's outcome, Churchill would not cave.

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« Reply #1215 on: October 31, 2022, 10:56:16 AM »
Fire supression systems aboard the Yorktown and other new vessels kept them from getting sunk.When the japanese bombed it a 2nd time they thought it was another ship as they didn't think anything could take that pounding.It still wasn't sunk after the 2nd bombing and was finally sent to the bottom by a subs torpedo
This is a good point. The Japanese damage control was pathetic compared to the US. Compare the pounding that Yorktown took before sinking to the few hits each that doomed the four Japanese CV's lost off Midway.

Ultimately, as I've studied the war in the Pacific I've come to the conclusion that what happened at Midway wasn't a Miracle, it was simply the result of conditions. Japanese damage control was atrocious and that was bound to bite them eventually. 

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1216 on: October 31, 2022, 11:12:09 AM »
US carriers would flush their fuel lines with nitrogen before battle, the Japanese didn't.  Another factor later on is some Japanese ships were running on raw petroleum unrefined, which would include a lot of very volatile light compounds prone to explosions.

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« Reply #1217 on: November 01, 2022, 06:34:27 PM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Arecibo Observatory Opens (1963)
Located near Arecibo, Puerto Rico, the Arecibo Observatory is the site of the world's largest single-aperture telescope. The telescope dish, built into a natural limestone bowl, measures an astonishing 1,000 feet (305 m) in diameter. It is used in radar studies of comets and asteroids, as well as in radio astronomy, to detect and analyze radio waves from space.
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