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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1148 on: October 27, 2022, 05:09:30 AM »
Cincinnati chili celebrates 100 years: Here's who we have to thank for it (wcpo.com)
Cincinnati chili celebrates 100 years: Here's who we have to thank for it (wcpo.com)

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« Reply #1149 on: October 27, 2022, 06:28:20 AM »
Be my guess there's not much celebrating going on out side of there.I've had it yrs ago it was all right,definately not Chili - ya know the stuff with meat/beans in it
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« Reply #1150 on: October 27, 2022, 06:32:03 AM »
Yeah, it took me a while (years) to get used to its  being something other than normal chili as I knew the dish, but then I accepted it and ate it a few times a month or so.  I think too much is made over the moniker, if it was called something else, it might get broader interest.

We have all kinds of other dishes with many variations and nobody gets upset about it, usually.  

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« Reply #1151 on: October 27, 2022, 09:12:15 AM »
The first speeding ticket was issued in 1902. At this time, most cars could only drive up to 45 mph.
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« Reply #1152 on: October 27, 2022, 10:14:51 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Treaty of Madrid Signed (1795)
The Treaty of Madrid—also called Pinckney's Treaty or the Treaty of San Lorenzo—was an agreement between the fledgling nation of the United States and colonial Spain. It defined the boundaries between the US and Spanish colonies to the south and west, and it secured the US rights to navigate the Mississippi River, which was a critical waterway for trade. The signatories also agreed not to incite native tribes to warfare.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1153 on: October 27, 2022, 11:29:51 AM »

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« Reply #1154 on: October 27, 2022, 02:36:47 PM »
Time line – The Varsity

[img width=273.429 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/D3xOhCu.png[/img]
I ate there when I was in town for the Final Four. I wasn't all that impressed. That isn't to say it was bad, just didn't live up to the buildup IMHO.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1155 on: October 27, 2022, 03:00:51 PM »
It's mediocre, at best, in my opinion.  It's just a local thing I reckon, been around forever.  It also got relatively expensive.

There are PLENTY of better places for that sort of food.

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« Reply #1156 on: October 28, 2022, 07:53:38 AM »
TODAY'S BIRTHDAY: 

Bernie Ecclestone (1930)
Ecclestone is a controversial British business magnate and one of the most powerful people in the world of Formula One (F1) racing. Briefly a racer, he gave up the sport after several accidents but later returned as a manager and team owner. In the 1970s, he secured his position in the F1 organization by negotiating TV broadcasting rights, vastly increasing the sport's popularity. In 2004, the billionaire's home became the most expensive ever sold when a steel magnate bought it
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« Reply #1157 on: October 28, 2022, 08:57:22 AM »
He discovered a land already populated by people.
He discovered a land already discovered hundreds of years earlier.
He never actually set foot on the mainland of North America.
He labeled native Americans 'Indians,' despite being over 7,000 miles from India.
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But he's so cool and due solely to ignorant tradition, we should celebrate him.
That about sum it up?
Columbus Day was never a big deal around these parts. I learned later in life that apparently it was a big deal in the NE.  Maybe others can chime in. 

The thing I always understood about Columbus is that he was the first with enough guts to strike out West over a pretty large portion of ocean that had never been successful explored by European nations. He was absolutely seeking fortune.  

while it sucks that the native people suffered at the arrival of the Europeans was there an inherent reason why they couldn’t settle these areas?  Most tribes in the New World ( yes I’m aware people lived here for tens of thousands of years prior) were nomadic. They had no formal government, little written language, very little technology, no science, no concept of most of what made up European society. The tribes were constantly at war with each other, just with not much technology. Hell, the Aztecs were probably some of the most advanced and they were basically Nazi Natives.  One might argue that defeating them wasn’t bad. 

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« Reply #1158 on: October 28, 2022, 10:01:40 AM »
Erasing 99.9% of any population from a continent is bad (unless you meant Aztecs, specifically).
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I think to this day, a majority of people think 'less advanced' = worse
And in terms of comfort, sure.  That's accurate.  But our comfortable, advanced lifestyles aren't sustainable without major changes.  We're quick to innovate and slow to mitigate.  
Personally, I value tribal peoples simply due to the fact that while we can damn rivers and clear-cut forests, we don't have to.  We can live in harmony with nature (not to sound like a hippy or whatever).  
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #1159 on: October 28, 2022, 10:08:49 AM »
The natives in America were not some version of "people living in harmony with Nature" types.  They did so because of low population density and little technology.  As noted, they fought with each other often and had some rather extreme religious views (so did the Catholics that came over often as not).  At any rate, when a technically superior people encounter the opposite, bad things happen, every time, in global history.  Spain became a world power simply due to the wealth extracted from the New World.  Europe also greatly benefited as well of course.  

I just read a book about the transcontinental railroad in the US.  The locals tried to inhibit it, and were almost wiped out in the region as a result.  (I don't think this was his best effort, reading it was a slog.)



At any rate, Columbus had an enormous impact on global history.  Someone else would have managed it later obviously.  The Portuguese were already making great strides on navigation and shipping.  The Chinese had a great fleet around that time as well that they basically abandoned, they might well have done it.

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« Reply #1160 on: October 28, 2022, 10:11:24 AM »
Erasing 99.9% of any population from a continent is bad (unless you meant Aztecs, specifically).
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I think to this day, a majority of people think 'less advanced' = worse
And in terms of comfort, sure.  That's accurate.  But our comfortable, advanced lifestyles aren't sustainable without major changes.  We're quick to innovate and slow to mitigate. 
Personally, I value tribal peoples simply due to the fact that while we can damn rivers and clear-cut forests, we don't have to.  We can live in harmony with nature (not to sound like a hippy or whatever). 
99.9 might have been an exaggeration
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« Reply #1161 on: October 28, 2022, 10:18:56 AM »
Erasing 99.9% of any population from a continent is bad (unless you meant Aztecs, specifically).
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I think to this day, a majority of people think 'less advanced' = worse
And in terms of comfort, sure.  That's accurate.  But our comfortable, advanced lifestyles aren't sustainable without major changes.  We're quick to innovate and slow to mitigate. 
Personally, I value tribal peoples simply due to the fact that while we can damn rivers and clear-cut forests, we don't have to.  We can live in harmony with nature (not to sound like a hippy or whatever). 
And yet, unless you're 100% native American, you're here because of what took place.  

Serious question for you:  When the European settlers arrived starting in the 1500's did the natives have any right to keep them from coming?  There were no boundaries, no maps, no government, no laws as we know them.  They inhabited the lands, but like I said most were nomadic and didn't "live" where the settlers moved in.  So the people with the best technology won, as is usually the case.  

From accounts on the western front the attacks the natives put on the settlers could be brutal, it was definitely a war from both sides perspective.  I think after about a couple of hundred years the natives finally realized they were going to be squeezed out and decided to fight back.  The settlers just wanted to get their piece of land and live.  Worlds collided and stuff.  

 

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