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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #350 on: February 08, 2022, 11:42:00 AM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YVGWBL7gdEM

Another.  Normal roads.  Listen to that Bi-turbo.   Damn!!

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« Reply #351 on: February 08, 2022, 12:30:44 PM »
In fact- they are far more capable then most drivers can come close to handling. 
most drivers can't push this thing to it's limit

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« Reply #352 on: February 08, 2022, 12:33:58 PM »
I definitely pushed THIS to its limit:



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« Reply #353 on: February 08, 2022, 12:34:32 PM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #354 on: February 08, 2022, 12:49:08 PM »
I definitely pushed THIS to its limit:



you're better than most
most would pee themselves pushing that to the limit
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« Reply #355 on: February 08, 2022, 12:56:14 PM »
Its limit was about 65 so no pee necessary.  It did wobble and shake a lot....


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« Reply #356 on: February 08, 2022, 01:38:14 PM »
I used to pass kids on fancy 18 speed bikes pedaling slow in one gear, they apparently had no clue how to shift.

Now I see folks in Beemers driving like they would a Malibu.  Granted, I don't drive my GTI crazy all the time either.

A few years back, BMW in Cincy had some gig where you could drive any of about 7 cars lined up,  one was an X5 with the V8, it certainly was fast,  They call it a "Sports Activity Vehicle" and I'd bet 90% of owners drive it like they would a regular SUV with the occasional spurt off the line.

I'm more of an M2 kind of guy anyway.

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« Reply #357 on: February 08, 2022, 02:02:51 PM »
you're better than most
most would pee themselves pushing that to the limit
It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow...

You learn a LOT more about what it means to drive at the limits of traction if you have relatively low limits. Everything happens slowly and you learn how to stay at the edge and have time to recover when you push it a little too much. If you're driving a supercar and exceed its limits, well, hope you have a good life insurance policy. 

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #358 on: February 08, 2022, 02:08:03 PM »
After we went in a little hot and missed the turn-in point, the CT4-V Blackwing went into a lurid slide down the hill that ended in the grass, where a beefy right-front suspension member folded like a taco. The damage was more than the Cadillac engineers on site could rectify. So a call was made to GM headquarters, and a replacement CT4-V Blackwing was on a truck headed for Alton within a few hours.

I'm sure these drivers are really good, and they bent this car.

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« Reply #359 on: February 08, 2022, 02:11:32 PM »
It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow...

You learn a LOT more about what it means to drive at the limits of traction if you have relatively low limits. Everything happens slowly and you learn how to stay at the edge and have time to recover when you push it a little too much. If you're driving a supercar and exceed its limits, well, hope you have a good life insurance policy.
My brother learned a similar concept in a Fiero he owns.  As a mid-engine car the Fiero has very good weight balance so it is very good on a curve (like an on-ramp, for example) but the problem is that if you DO start to lose it, it is VERY difficult to recover.  My Z28 is obviously way out of balance so you see a lot of oversteer if you push it but it is easy to get it back by simply letting off the gas.  

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #360 on: February 08, 2022, 02:31:17 PM »
Porsche 911 used to be really bad with this, once you lost them the tail would come around and you were done, over steer.  American cars were designed to plow if you got too hot in a corner.  I read the new Corvette has a lot of stability control on it to try and keep this from biting unwary drivers.


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« Reply #361 on: February 08, 2022, 02:35:09 PM »
Porsche 911 used to be really bad with this, once you lost them the tail would come around and you were done, over steer.  American cars were designed to plow if you got too hot in a corner.  I read the new Corvette has a lot of stability control on it to try and keep this from biting unwary drivers.
I wondered about that particularly for a brand like Corvette that has been around for almost 70 years and has very high brand loyalty.  Basically every Corvette after the initial goofy I6 version in 1953 and 1954 up until this new mid-engined beast has had a similar weight balance/oversteer issue as my Z28.  Now all of a sudden guys who may have been driving Corvettes for a REALLY long time aren't going to have that "warning" anymore.  They'll be able to go a lot further before they have an issue, but once the issue starts they will not be able to just let off the gas to correct it anymore.  

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #362 on: February 08, 2022, 02:40:59 PM »
2020 Audi RS Q8 at Lightning Lap 2022 (caranddriver.com)


Class: LL3 | Base: $123,695 | As Tested: $138,340
Power and Weight:
591 hp • 5489 lb • 9.3 lb/hp
Tires:
Continental SportContact 6, 295/35ZR-23 (108Y) AO

No one gets excited about SUVs at Lightning Lap. They're too heavy, too tall, too big, too powerful for their own good. But there is real joy in seeing an elephant run free and then try to stop, probably.

On the back of a 591-hp version of the same twin-turbo 4.0-liter V-8 found in the Porsche Cayenne and Lamborghini Urus, Audi's 5489-pound RS Q8, the heaviest vehicle we've ever lapped, charged its way up to 144.1 mph on the front straight.

Admittedly, it is exciting to reel in the energy of an RS Q8 barreling toward Turn 1. The 17.3-inch carbon-ceramic rotors clamped by 10-piston calipers are the right hardware for the task. They're strong, although the brake pedal sinks deep enough to make you wonder whether this pachyderm will trample the tire wall. The mass and speed do overwork and then overheat the initially grippy Continental SportContact 6 rubber. But before these impressive tires get too hot, they put down a strong 1.00 g in Turn 1.


Once you get used to lapping VIR in what feels like an RS7 converted to standing-desk height, there's nothing threatening about the RS Q8's handling. Curbs are swallowed whole, the steering is truthful, and the understeer is predictable and easy to manage. Executing the perfect lap is tough in any car, and even though we're chasing just one hot lap, the course's 4.1-mile length means that it is necessary to think about the ever-degrading tires and brake temps. Push even a little too hard and you'll pay for it later in the lap, when the front tires chatter with understeer or the brakes require you to get on them earlier. As much as we tried, we couldn't get the RS Q8 under the 3:00 mark, but that time is still quicker than the sit-down RS7 that lapped here in 2014.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #363 on: February 08, 2022, 02:43:40 PM »
2022 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing at Lightning Lap 2022 (caranddriver.com)

Lap Time: 2:55.6
Class: LL3 | Base: $67,515 | As Tested: $78,985
Power and Weight:
 472 hp • 3902 lb • 8.3 lb/hp
Tires:
 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, F: 255/35ZR-18 (94Y) TPC R: 275/35ZR-18 (99Y) TPC

They say that when you summit a mountain, the journey is only halfway over. Reach the crest of the Climbing Esses and what follows is a blind left-hander with existential repercussions. Overdo it by a mere 0.1 mph and a very bad ending becomes a very real possibility.

After we went in a little hot and missed the turn-in point, the CT4-V Blackwing went into a lurid slide down the hill that ended in the grass, where a beefy right-front suspension member folded like a taco. The damage was more than the Cadillac engineers on site could rectify. So a call was made to GM headquarters, and a replacement CT4-V Blackwing was on a truck headed for Alton within a few hours.



 

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