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Topic: OT - Weird History

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #196 on: February 01, 2022, 11:38:27 AM »
One retired Agent thinks he did.He was on Expedition Unknown about 2 yrs back and he thinks DB jumped in the desert outside of Reno.There were letters sent to the Newspapers at the time - he got out of Dodge 1st.There is a lot of brush and the desert would have provided a much softer landing with lights seen for miles to make a safe get away.Made a very plausible case.Another guy was an airline emplyee named kenny Christiansen
That is something I've never heard.  I always read that he jumped somewhere over the PAC NW and most people theorize that he died either in the jump, on landing, or of exposure on the ground.  

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #197 on: February 01, 2022, 11:39:13 AM »
𝗢𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗱𝗮𝘆 𝗶𝗻 1944, 𝗝𝗮𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗲 𝗥𝗼𝗯𝗶𝗻𝘀𝗼𝗻, 𝗮 𝗨.𝗦. 𝗔𝗿𝗺𝘆 𝘀𝗼𝗹𝗱𝗶𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗴𝗼 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗸 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗿 𝗯𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝗻 𝗠𝗮𝗷𝗼𝗿 𝗟𝗲𝗮𝗴𝘂𝗲 𝗕𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗯𝗮𝗹𝗹, 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗻 𝗔𝗿𝗺𝘆 𝗯𝘂𝘀, 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘁-𝗺𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗶𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗱.
In 1942, Robinson was drafted and assigned to a segregated Army cavalry unit in Fort Riley, Kansas. Having the requisite qualifications, Robinson and several other black soldiers applied for admission to an Officer Candidate School (OCS) then located at Fort Riley. Although the Army's initial July 1941 guidelines for OCS had been drafted as race neutral, few black applicants were admitted into OCS until after subsequent directives by Army leadership. As a result, the applications of Robinson and his colleagues were delayed for several months. After protests by heavyweight boxing champion Joe Louis (then stationed at Fort Riley) and the help of Truman Gibson (then an assistant civilian aide to the Secretary of War), the men were accepted into OCS. The experience led to a personal friendship between Robinson and Louis. Upon finishing OCS, Robinson was commissioned as a second lieutenant in January 1943.
After receiving his commission, Robinson was reassigned to Fort Hood, Texas, where he joined the 761st "Black Panthers" Tank Battalion. While awaiting results of hospital tests on the ankle he had injured in junior college, Robinson boarded an Army bus with a fellow officer's wife; although the Army had commissioned its own unsegregated bus line, the bus driver ordered Robinson to move to the back of the bus. Robinson refused. The driver backed down, but after reaching the end of the line, summoned the military police, who took Robinson into custody. When Robinson later confronted the investigating duty officer about racist questioning by the officer and his assistant, the officer recommended Robinson be court-martialed. After Robinson's commander in the 761st, Paul L. Bates, refused to authorize the legal action, Robinson was summarily transferred to the 758th Battalion—where the commander quickly consented to charge Robinson with multiple offenses, including, among other charges, public drunkenness, even though Robinson did not drink.
By the time of the court-martial in August 1944, the charges against Robinson had been reduced to two counts of insubordination during questioning. Robinson was acquitted by an all-white panel of nine officers. The experiences Robinson was subjected to during the court proceedings would be remembered when he later joined MLB and was subjected to racist attacks. Although his former unit, the 761st Tank Battalion, became the first black tank unit to see combat in World War II, Robinson's court-martial proceedings prohibited him from being deployed overseas; thus, he never saw combat action.
After his acquittal, he was transferred to Camp Breckinridge, Kentucky, where he served as a coach for army athletics until receiving an honorable discharge in November 1944. While there, Robinson met a former player for the Kansas City Monarchs of the Negro American League, who encouraged Robinson to write the Monarchs and ask for a tryout. Robinson took the former player's advice and wrote to Monarchs' co-owner Thomas Baird.


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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #198 on: February 01, 2022, 11:42:07 AM »
I don't believe that for a second. It would just be different countries doing it.

As you are fond of saying, power corrupts.  USA with less power, results in someone else with more power, and therefore more corruption coming from that "someone else."

People are as predictable as the sun setting in the West, the tides, or OAM turning an innocuous discussion into something hateful and anti-religious.
you're right lol. but at least it wouldn't be our country doing it.

it was the British raping and pillaging and ruling the world before us, someone before them, and the Romans way way before them all. will probably be the Chinese after us.

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« Reply #199 on: February 01, 2022, 11:43:56 AM »
you're right lol. but at least it wouldn't be our country doing it.

it was the British raping and pillaging and ruling the world before us, someone before them, and the Romans way way before them all. will probably be the Chinese after us.
It's already the Chinese.  And they're just as willing to do it to their own people, as they are to anyone else.


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« Reply #200 on: February 01, 2022, 11:58:30 AM »
I've read 20 million, it's still a tiny number.  There are a lot of Jews who are atheists/agnostics, in my experience, like Einstein for example (who did believe in a Creator).  They are not adherents to the religion itself but identify with the culture and heritage.  Of my Jewish acquaintances, NONE of them were religious.  One even went to a Jewish Temple for agnostics, I had never heard of such a thing.  It was about heritage. 

I suppose I am frightened of their space laser though.
I worked on a PhD at Hebrew Union College (a reformed Judaism seminary) back in the early 90s and the debate going on at the time was whether to admit Beth Adam (I believe that was the synagogue) which was an openly Agnostic synagogue.  I had a long discussion with one of my professors how they could argue to admit an openly agnostic synagogue and accept them as Jewish, but outright rejected several synagogues and say they are not Jewish that accepted Jesus as the Messiah.  So you could be a "religious" Jew and not believe in God, but you couldn't be one who believed that Jesus was the Messiah. Seemed contradictory to me, but made for a good debate. 

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« Reply #201 on: February 01, 2022, 12:01:56 PM »
It's already the Chinese.  And they're just as willing to do it to their own people, as they are to anyone else.
yeah, which is kind of crazy. there are so many of them, if they all decided to revolt - would be impossible for the government to control the situation. surprised that it hasn't happened yet. chinese people seem to love being virtual slaves to the state.

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« Reply #202 on: February 01, 2022, 12:05:23 PM »
That is something I've never heard.  I always read that he jumped somewhere over the PAC NW and most people theorize that he died either in the jump, on landing, or of exposure on the ground. 
Their seems to be threads of believability in many suspects one of them made it into a roadside bar and asked some trucker for a ride and directions and he complied,And the trucker later picked the suspect out of a line up,problem was suspect wasn't recognized by any of the stewardesses,This McCoy guy they said Maybe.Also they think since the guy may have served in Nam he was familiar with jumping from the aft staircases of the 727s.He may have fained the 1st jump to set off the crew thinking he bailed between Portland and Seattle.Only to gently roll out an hour later.Because those stairs were bouncing all the way to Nevada - how would the crew really know
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #203 on: February 01, 2022, 12:08:09 PM »
yeah, which is kind of crazy. there are so many of them, if they all decided to revolt - would be impossible for the government to control the situation. surprised that it hasn't happened yet. chinese people seem to love being virtual slaves to the state.
Who knows maybe the virus was released to stem just a revolt.The people aren't stupid,they were the ones noticing a lot of doctors/scientists were dropping off the map and smuggling info/video out
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #204 on: February 01, 2022, 12:19:05 PM »

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« Reply #205 on: February 01, 2022, 12:45:21 PM »
you're right lol. but at least it wouldn't be our country doing it.

it was the British raping and pillaging and ruling the world before us, someone before them, and the Romans way way before them all. will probably be the Chinese after us.
you sometimes sound like the hippies I used to hear on campus back in the 60s

you would fit right in

hay man ya got any chips man

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« Reply #206 on: February 01, 2022, 12:51:20 PM »
Their seems to be threads of believability in many suspects one of them made it into a roadside bar and asked some trucker for a ride and directions and he complied,And the trucker later picked the suspect out of a line up,problem was suspect wasn't recognized by any of the stewardesses,This McCoy guy they said Maybe.Also they think since the guy may have served in Nam he was familiar with jumping from the aft staircases of the 727s.He may have fained the 1st jump to set off the crew thinking he bailed between Portland and Seattle.Only to gently roll out an hour later.Because those stairs were bouncing all the way to Nevada - how would the crew really know
That is interesting.  I saw a show where they mentioned that truck driver and the guy he picked up who he thinks was DB Cooper but I never heard the theory that he fooled everybody into believing he jumped out there then waited.  How do they explain the money that kid found up in the NW, a plant?  

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« Reply #207 on: February 01, 2022, 01:34:29 PM »
you sometimes sound like the hippies I used to hear on campus back in the 60s

you would fit right in

hay man ya got any chips man
yeah, well I don't know what to say to that, I'm the furthest thing from a hippy. 

if you're cool with the US doing f**ked up horrific shit all-around the world, well that's like on you man. :)

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« Reply #208 on: February 01, 2022, 01:46:45 PM »
yeah, well I don't know what to say to that, I'm the furthest thing from a hippy.

if you're cool with the US doing f**ked up horrific shit all-around the world, well that's like on you man. :)
Im never good with any bad thing a country does.  But if you could get a time machine and go back to that time era you would be amazed at how much you have in common with those guys.  I dont doubt your honestly saying what you believe but the message youre bringing is far from original.  Its just my age revealing itself.  BTW does this country do anything thats good or are we bad to the core.
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« Reply #209 on: February 01, 2022, 01:55:50 PM »
Im never good with any bad thing a country does.  But if you could get a time machine and go back to that time era you would be amazed at how much you have in common with those guys.  I dont doubt your honestly saying what you believe but the message youre bringing is far from original.  Its just my age revealing itself.  BTW does this country do anything thats good or are we bad to the core.
of course we do great stuff. we send humanitarian aid all-around the world, we develop and innovate in the sciences, produce new technology and medical advancements better than any country on planet earth. this country also does a lot of bad shit around that world - but it's also one of the only countries in the world as utee94 pointed out - that has the power to do shit all around the world. And unfortunately, it abuses the awesome power it has continually - which is just what every power through history has done. The US is still the worlds lone super power. China pretends to be one, but they aren't. Not quite yet. They are like a baby super power that is trying to grow up and come after our throne. Still not there yet. 

I love this country and think it's the greatest country in the world to live in because of the freedoms and protections it grants it's owns citizens. It might not treat the rest of the world as great - but citizens of this country have it SO much better off in terms of freedoms and protections from their own government than in literally every other country in the entire world imo. would never live anywhere else because of this.

 

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