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Topic: OT - Weird History

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Cincydawg

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #112 on: January 30, 2022, 07:40:48 PM »

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« Reply #113 on: January 30, 2022, 09:13:02 PM »
The 1922 MLB season is the only one when both leagues batting champions hit better than .400. In the National League St Louis Cardinals Rogers Hornsby hit .401 in the A.L. George Sisler of the St Louis Browns hit .420
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« Reply #114 on: January 30, 2022, 10:56:45 PM »
Wow, you guys really hate Islam.

To me, it's just a newer poisonous, oppressive, invented, murderous, silly religion than the one that defeated the Umayyad that day(s).
If you want a serious answer to this question from the perspective of a highly anti-religious atheist please read some of what Christopher Hitchens had to say about Islam.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/07/why-are-we-so-scared-of-offending-muslims.html


Hitchens opposed all religions but he was smart enough to realize that they were not equally detrimental even though he believed that they were all detrimental. 

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #115 on: January 30, 2022, 11:08:31 PM »
Of course, he's speaking about here and now.  And he was right, as he usually was (not always).  

But if Christianity had its worst atrocities hundreds of years ago and Islam is hundreds of years younger than Christianity, is one not simply the younger brother following in his older brother's footsteps?

It doesn't help the victim today, but it doesn't make any sense to expect the younger religion to fast-forward its maturity/liberalism/evolution any faster than the older one.


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« Reply #116 on: January 30, 2022, 11:10:28 PM »
It's the same god, following godawful books, and one has an extra messiah.  Neither has ever produced anything remotely close to actual evidence of a god.

They're the same bad idea, spaced 500 years apart.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #117 on: January 31, 2022, 12:06:02 AM »
No, it is not.

There are major fundamental differences between religions.

The chief one is that Christianity's founder never took up arms while Islam's founder was a conquering warlord. From that it is hardly surprising that Islam is basically custom designed for an armed camp with teachings such as the 72 virgins thing whereas Christianity teaches adherents to turn the other cheek.

Similarly Islam teaches adherents to be honest with each other where Christianity teaches adherents to be honest with everyone. 


They are not the same religion at different stages of development they are fundamentally different religions. 

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #118 on: January 31, 2022, 05:40:52 AM »
Weird history indeed.  I tend not to trust what adherents of one religion have to say about another, generally speaking.  Obviously, the battle of Tours, wherever it was, was historically significant and not taught in schools that I can recall.

When the Catholics cleared Spain of Muslims, they also cleared it of Jews, and many of the Jews went to Islamic regions, many of them well educated at the time.  They were able to live in a Muslim society quite well, back then.  The enmity between the two had not really taken hold until much later.


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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #119 on: January 31, 2022, 08:11:22 AM »
The popes in the middle ages told the Jewish Folks to join or else.Of course later they told Martin Luther to quit pointing out their hypocrisy and fall in line - basically the same thing.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #120 on: January 31, 2022, 09:01:38 AM »
We spent a week in Avignon where the popes lived for over a century, instead of Rome, and then there were two popes for a while.  We toured the palace of the popes there, it's large, and sort of dark and dingy.  Just north of there is some rather good wine the popes had a hand in starting.

It's surprising how few Jews live in the world today really considering their outsized influence on events and history.

Edit:  I suppose I should add I feel no animosity towards Jews, in case someone wanted to read that into my comments.  I probably should add the same for Muslims broadly speaking, and Christians, and Atheists, and Zoroastrians, etc.

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« Reply #121 on: January 31, 2022, 09:33:40 AM »
 I read somewhere that there are between 14-17 million Jewish people living today.How they came to those numbers I haven't the foggiest. Earth Population is at like 7.9 billion. The article went on to say that Jewish People  were awarded like 1/4 of the Nobel Prizes given for Science/Medicine.If accurate that's pretty impressive
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #122 on: January 31, 2022, 09:40:56 AM »
I've read 20 million, it's still a tiny number.  There are a lot of Jews who are atheists/agnostics, in my experience, like Einstein for example (who did believe in a Creator).  They are not adherents to the religion itself but identify with the culture and heritage.  Of my Jewish acquaintances, NONE of them were religious.  One even went to a Jewish Temple for agnostics, I had never heard of such a thing.  It was about heritage.  

I suppose I am frightened of their space laser though.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #123 on: January 31, 2022, 09:43:56 AM »
Go to a Deli and have a Pastrami Sammich and don't worry about it
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #124 on: January 31, 2022, 09:44:25 AM »


The nine different ethnic groups of Bukovina region, (Austria-Hungary), 1902

From top left: Hutsul, Hungarian, Rom (Romani or Gypsy), Lipovan, Jew, Pole, Schwab, Romanian, Rusyn



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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2022, 09:45:12 AM »
Go to a Deli and have a Pastrami Sammich and don't worry about it
Now I'm hungry.  I do enjoy a good Rueben.

 

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