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Topic: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida

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ELA

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OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« on: July 10, 2022, 12:05:59 PM »
The resumes:

1991 Florida State (11-2)
  • Preseason #1, won first 10 games until losing to #2 Miami in Wide Right I
  • Lost the following week at #5 Florida
  • Beat #9 Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl for their third win over a top 10 team, beating #3 Michigan and #10 Syracuse earlier in the season
  • All-Americans: CB Terrell Buckley (unanimous), LB Marvin Jones (consensus), QB Casey Weldon, RB Amp Lee

1997 Florida (10-2)
  • Reached #1 in early October after beating #4, but lost twice in October to #14 LSU, and then got blown out by Georgia
  • Aside from #4 Tennessee, also beat #6 Auburn and #2 Florida State, to cost the Noles a shot at the national title
  • Beat #11 Penn State 21-6 in the Citrus Bowl
  • All-Americans: WR Jacquez Green (consensus), CB Fred Weary (consensus), RB Fred Taylor, DL Ed Chester
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2022, 12:07:43 PM »
I remember being shocked at how good that Florida State team was when they rolled into Ann Arbor, after Michigan had beaten Notre Dame, and absolutely hammered them.  Tough for me to think of them as anything other than that, but that Florida team was perhaps the most loaded Spurrier team at RB/WR.  A 20 point loss to a fine, but not great, Georgia team is tough to overlook though
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2022, 12:22:00 PM »
FSU here.
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2022, 12:26:55 PM »
Yeah, the other thing, as I said, I wish I had done (and I guess it's a future one now), best 3+ loss teams.  Because its a little unfair.  There are a bunch of FSU, PSU, Miami and ND teams that likely would have won a conference title, had they been in a conference, which would have disqualified them
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2022, 05:17:21 PM »
This FSU team is more famous to begin with.  But to play devil's advocate for a minute:
They lost to Florida in '91, 14-9.  That was a good Florida defense, but '97's defense was better.
The '97 Gators had a better running game, if one wanted to note Buckley could shut down or slow Jacquez Green.
Marvin Jones was a great LB, but he's not running with Fred Taylor, lol.  
The Gators beat SR-season Peyton Manning, so what would '91 FSU challenge them in the passing game that could compare with that?
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I'd pick whichever team was at home.
On a neutral site, I think more people would pick FSU.  But I don't think it's a particularly good matchup for them.
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2022, 05:20:59 PM »
Manning vs the Blackshirts in 97

Manning 21-31-1-134
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2022, 05:23:35 PM »
To be fair, that was post-Heisman loss Manning, lmao.
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2022, 05:27:37 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 10, 2022, 12:07:43 PM
.  Tough for me to think of them as anything other than that, but that Florida team was perhaps the most loaded Spurrier team at RB/WR. 
Huh?
Taylor and Green were elite, but there was no depth.  
At RB behind Taylor, you had a track guy figuring out how to play football.
At WR behind Green, Richardson and Karim were never-panned-out guys.  
The strength of the '97 team was the defense and the good times between horrific throws by Doug Johnson.  
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2022, 05:49:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 10, 2022, 05:23:35 PM
To be fair, that was post-Heisman loss Manning, lmao.
to be fair the Blackshirts were better than the 97 Gator defense
but you know this
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2022, 09:55:11 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 10, 2022, 05:27:37 PM
Huh?
Taylor and Green were elite, but there was no depth. 
At RB behind Taylor, you had a track guy figuring out how to play football.
At WR behind Green, Richardson and Karim were never-panned-out guys. 
The strength of the '97 team was the defense and the good times between horrific throws by Doug Johnson. 
Florida had 7 NFL draft picks at RB/WR on that roster.

I voted FSU, but if FSU had joined the ACC a decade earlier, none of their teams would be eligible. That Gator team was a stacked defense and weapons galore.  A meh QB and an average OL held them back
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2022, 11:40:27 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 10, 2022, 09:55:11 PM
Florida had 7 NFL draft picks at RB/WR on that roster.

Ehh....I guess that's one way to look at it.  The same way a national announcer would, as compared to the team's radio guy, lol.
Let's see these 7 players and what they did in '97:
RB Taylor (1st)
WR Green (2nd)....duh, already acknowledged them.  They WERE the offense in '97.
WR Travis McGriff (3rd)......dominated in '98, averaged 2 catches per game in '97.
RB Terry Jackson (5th)....jack-of-all trades RB, got hurt 4 games into '97.
WR Travis Taylor (1st)....good career, 1 catch in '97.
WR Darrell Jackson (3rd)...good career, 4 catches in '97.  These 2 were true FR and played in garbage time.
TE Erron Kinney (3rd)....averaged 1 catch per game in '97.
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Deep from a multi-year point-of-view?  I guess?  Deep for 1997?  LOL
After Taylor and Green, there's the 4th WR, a hurt RB, 2 true FR WRs that never played, and a good player that was never utilized.
I guess technically you're right, but it's not really germane to the conversation at hand.
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Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1997 Florida
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2022, 11:45:40 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 10, 2022, 09:55:11 PM
Florida had 7 NFL draft picks at RB/WR on that roster.

I voted FSU, but if FSU had joined the ACC a decade earlier, none of their teams would be eligible. That Gator team was a stacked defense and weapons galore.  A meh QB and an average OL held them back
This part is just blatantly false.  
If I made claims about MSU only using a 30,000 ft view and you disagreed, you'd very likely be right.  
Just trust me on this one.
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