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Topic: OT: The Basketball Tournament End of Game Rule

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: OT: The Basketball Tournament End of Game Rule
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2018, 09:17:31 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 30, 2018, 08:58:27 AM
FWIW:  ELA's idea would solve this problem.  If it was 15-6 with four minutes to go the winning score would be 17.  
True, but I think the seven point rule is more realistic. 
Point percentages are fun to message board about, but I don't think it's likely that they would implement it. I don't have faith in the general public's ability to do math. It needs to be a system that a gym full of Neanderthals can easily process. 
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Re: OT: The Basketball Tournament End of Game Rule
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2018, 09:32:12 AM »
I think this is really interesting but the prospect of no more buzzer beaters is a big detriment to me.
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Re: OT: The Basketball Tournament End of Game Rule
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2018, 09:35:46 AM »
Quote from: ELA on July 30, 2018, 08:58:56 AM
I don't think so.  I think I simplified it down enough that it's easy.  It's not like this will be calculated on the fly.  I'm assuming for this rule in general we are discussing that it starts as of the under 4:00 TV timeout?  So it starts when you come back from a dead ball break.
I get what you are saying and I don't totally disagree, but see @Brutus Buckeye 's comment in the very next post:
"I don't have faith in the general public's ability to do math.  It needs to be a system that a gym full of Neanderthals can easily process."  
I get that your idea is pretty freaking simple and I also understand it the same way, that this would happen at the under 4:00 Timeout which would allow plenty of time for the officials to announce it.  The math is also incredibly simple:
  • Leading team has 25-34 points, add three points to their score to get your "score needed to win."
  • Leading team has 35-44 points, add four points to their score to get your "score needed to win." 
  • . . .
  • Leading team has 85-94 points, add nine points to their score to get your "score needed to win."  
  • Leading team has 95-104 points, add 10 to their score to get your "score needed to win."  

Some thoughts if we were to go with this proposal:
  • I think the minimum should be four points because I don't like the idea that one three pointer could end the game.  
  • You could do that with ranges which might make it simpler for the fans to understand it.  Ie, if the leading team has <65, add five to their score to get the score needed to win.  If the leading team has 65-84, add seven to the leading team's score to get the score needed to win.  If the leading team has >84, add nine to the leading teams's score to get the score needed to win.  
  • I think you would need to then announce the "score needed to win" and leave it up on the scoreboard from then on.  
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Re: OT: The Basketball Tournament End of Game Rule
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2018, 09:58:07 AM »
I think it would need to be simpler than that. 

rounded off to the nearest multiple of ten might suffice. 

But since there's not a huge difference between five and seven or nine and seven, a flat rate of seven would still make the most sense. 

But again. Here's an example of what MS GBB scores look like. 

Thursday, January 8 Monday, February 9
Harper's Ferry 4@Spring Mills 22 Spring Mills 31@Harper's Ferry 22
Musselman 20@South 72 South 55@Musselman 22
Hedgesville 34@Charles Town 8 Charles Town 9@Hedgesville 39
Wildwood 18@North 22 North 8@Wildwood 28
Shepherdstown 28@Moutain Ridge 20 Mountain Ridge 30@Shepherdstown 31

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It would take forever for some of those winning teams to score seven points. The winning team had 22 in the first box score. So seven points is almost a third of the game. Pretty big chunk when you are playing quarters. 
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Re: OT: The Basketball Tournament End of Game Rule
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2018, 10:39:10 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 30, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
  • I think you would need to then announce the "score needed to win" and leave it up on the scoreboard from then on.  

I think this is a given no matter what.
I also assume we are never asking the population to do math, no matter what rule you go with.  I assume to "score to win" is just put up where the clock otherwise is, and people just know that's what you have to beat.
I also was eliminating calculating rounding and just saying you always round up, since you've actually played 9/10 of the game, you should divide by 9 to get an equal pace of scoring, but that seems way too complicated, so instead I just said round up, and then divide by 10.  So really the only way for it to be under 4 points is for the winning team to have <31 points with 4 minutes left.  At that point, just cancel the game.
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Re: OT: The Basketball Tournament End of Game Rule
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2018, 10:52:00 AM »
Quote from: ELA on July 30, 2018, 10:39:10 AM
I just said round up
You did, and I missed that.  It is a relatively minor difference but it does matter.  My example was set up based on rounding such that:
  • 35-44 was four points
  • 45-54 was five points
  • etc
In your version where we always round up:
  • 31-40 is four points
  • 41-50 is five points
  • etc
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