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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #182 on: January 30, 2019, 06:34:55 PM »
The ongoing story has added more serious news.

On Jan 16, MSU's interim president, John Engler, resigned. He was under threat of being fired after Englering one time too many. This time he spoke of Nassar victims relishing the "spotlight" ("still enjoying that moment at times, you know, the awards and recognition"). What was different was that he made that mistake after the November elections  reconstituted the BoT.

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Now, the US Department of Education is reporting that MSU has serially violated the Clery Act, systematically underreported crimes and demonstrated a "lack of institutional control." Also that they exhibited "lack of administrative capability," an impairment that the report noted was "one of the most serious findings that can result from a campus safety program review."

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Key excerpt: As a result of the findings in the report, the university's application for re-certification to receive federal financial aid is on hold; the university is currently participating in the program on a month-to-month basis.
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« Reply #183 on: January 30, 2019, 08:02:21 PM »
I pointed this out long ago.  This was a sports issue if you chose to only look at athletics.  But if you looked at any singular department at MSU you would find the same problems, because it was a massive University wide issue.  60 Minutes reported on it like three years ago, but nobody outside of MSU cared until you attached sports rivalries to it.  But it's a major problem.  It is mildly humorous that ESPN is reporting it, but I'm surprised it didn't get wider coverage.  Again, because sadly nobody cares about this sort of thing if it doesn't impact their sports team, or girls on a stand are giving salacious details.  Engler was the right guy to deal with the political fallout, but was an absolute PR disaster.  I'm guessing the final hire will probably be the exact opposite of that, and I'm not sure what that means for the future of the university.
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« Reply #184 on: January 30, 2019, 09:12:27 PM »
Is there any danger with accreditation here??
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« Reply #185 on: January 30, 2019, 09:31:08 PM »
Well said ELA.   This was all under various noses, much like other bad acts which are known but we look the other way or don't notice because reasons, or it isn't a chip to play at a particular time or not ripe for hobby horsing.
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« Reply #186 on: January 31, 2019, 04:35:20 AM »
OT: Not to bring You-know-who into this, but if we’re going to talk about a lack of media coverage, I honestly think all the media coverage is so focused on one guy and his Twitter account that it completely sucks the air out of the room on stories that deserve much more coverage. The Michigan St scandal, El Chapos trial, the collapse of Venezuela. And even when other events get coverage, such as the Kashogi murder, it’s first and foremost covered in context of a reactionary media obsession with You-know-who and his latest Tweets. 
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« Reply #187 on: January 31, 2019, 08:41:50 AM »
Very true.   
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« Reply #188 on: January 31, 2019, 08:46:36 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 30, 2019, 09:12:27 PM
Is there any danger with accreditation here??
Maybe but so far we've only heard about the FAFSA and federal funding risks.
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« Reply #189 on: January 31, 2019, 10:49:15 AM »
Quote from: ELA on January 30, 2019, 08:02:21 PM
It is mildly humorous that ESPN is reporting it, but I'm surprised it didn't get wider coverage.
It's definitely unusual for a sports outlet to break stories like this, but given recent events, it's also predictable. Not because of some "ESPN always had it out for us" conspiracy but as an inevitable outcome of MSU stonewalling (and ultimately failing in court) to squash so many ESPN FOIA requests. That, and MSU trying to sue ESPN (only to have it dismissed), was the kind of strange antagonism that would inevitably lead to more ESPN distrust, attention, FOIAs, and investigations. Organizations who act strange and guilty are always paid that kind of attention. Making it super normal for ESPN to get this story first because it got the FOIA first. 

The moral is obvious: Don't serially make poor decisions; negative attention begets negative attention. PR matters.

Anyway: My guess is that other outlets, starting with small local beats, will repeat the report.
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« Reply #190 on: January 31, 2019, 01:42:16 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on January 31, 2019, 10:49:15 AM
It's definitely unusual for a sports outlet to break stories like this, but given recent events, it's also predictable. Not because of some "ESPN always had it out for us" conspiracy but as an inevitable outcome of MSU stonewalling (and ultimately failing in court) to squash so many ESPN FOIA requests. That, and MSU trying to sue ESPN (only to have it dismissed), was the kind of strange antagonism that would inevitably lead to more ESPN distrust, attention, FOIAs, and investigations. Organizations who act strange and guilty are always paid that kind of attention. Making it super normal for ESPN to get this story first because it got the FOIA first.

The moral is obvious: Don't serially make poor decisions; negative attention begets negative attention. PR matters.

Anyway: My guess is that other outlets, starting with small local beats, will repeat the report.
I could be wrong, but I believe MSU released the report themselves yesterday, and nobody but ESPN picked it up
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« Reply #191 on: January 31, 2019, 07:07:31 PM »
This is positive, now if Ferguson would just resign, we'd really have something


https://twitter.com/DianneByrum/status/1090737403059417093?s=19
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #192 on: January 31, 2019, 07:47:40 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 31, 2019, 01:42:16 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe MSU released the report themselves yesterday, and nobody but ESPN picked it up
...because, again, everybody else is spending the 24 hour news cycle obsessing over one guy and his twitter account.
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« Reply #193 on: January 31, 2019, 07:59:11 PM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on January 31, 2019, 07:47:40 PM
...because, again, everybody else is spending the 24 hour news cycle obsessing over one guy and his twitter account.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #194 on: January 31, 2019, 08:23:56 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 31, 2019, 01:42:16 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe MSU released the report themselves yesterday, and nobody but ESPN picked it up
That wasn't my understanding, but even if true it doesn't change the fact that MSU's suspicious aggression against ESPN's FOIAs inevitably kept ESPN poised for all developments related to stories of abuse in EL.
So either way, this story would come from the sports network. It's a self-inflicted continuation of bad PR: MSU hoist by its own petard.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #195 on: January 31, 2019, 08:25:54 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 31, 2019, 07:07:31 PM
This is positive, now if Ferguson would just resign, we'd really have something


https://twitter.com/DianneByrum/status/1090737403059417093?s=19
Yeah that's a big deal. One of the healthiest signals in some time.
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