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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #266 on: January 20, 2026, 03:49:52 PM »
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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #267 on: January 21, 2026, 12:35:02 PM »
Referring back to the Movies/TV thread, I recently re-read the Harry Potter series. I'm not here to convince anyone who doesn't like it that they should. Everyone has their own tastes. But I did have a different reaction to it this time. The first book is mostly world building. The actual plot is quite thin, and time passes rapidly with very little going on. But that's ok because the main point of the book is to establish the wizarding world...mostly within the walls of Hogwarts.

The second book has a frustrating deus ex machina finish, but at least spends more time progressing through the school year. The third book is the first one to invoke a significant plot twist that lets you know there is more afoot here than has been revealed. The time turner is a bit of a cheat code, but the story works.

I found book four tedious. SFIrish, reading it for the first time, is finding it very tedious. But I like that it sets up a friction in the relationship between Ron and Harry, and speaking as someone who grew up with less than most of the people immediately around me, that story resonated with me. Book four also sets up a run to the finish. Although four through seven stay true to the school-year model, they really aren't stand alone books anymore, just convenient section breaks.

Book five returns to story building, but now it builds the wizarding world outside of Hogwarts. I also appreciate that it concludes by showing real weakness in the main characters, particularly our primary protagonist.

Book six feels rushed to me. On the one hand, I like the story arc, but there are giant leaps in time from one event to the next that I think could have used a lot more attention.

Book seven solves the time leap problem in book six, and I think is a strong finish to a really good story. Reflecting on it, in my last read, I think book five may have been my favorite, followed by seven, then three (previously I thought of three as my favorite).

I'm a fan (obviously), but it intrigues me that over time the pieces of the story that I like best have changed.

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #268 on: January 21, 2026, 01:11:07 PM »
As I recall from reading them years ago, it was book 5 that I thought was....not tedious, but kinda...sprawling.  It seemed to need some serious tightening up and could've used an editor to remove like 100 pages worth, imo.  I don't recall thinking that about book 4.  But b5 did contain probably my favorite scene of the entire series, the showdown between Dumbledore and Voldemort.  That scene was extremely illuminating on several levels, both from characterization and motivation standpoints.  

It was also the first major divergence in how well I thought the films adapted the source material.  In the movies, it comes off like Dumbledore was just hanging on in the face of at-least equal power, if not superior, and possibly just barely hanging on.  It didn't come off like that at all in the book.  It had much more of a feel that Dumbledore was very calmly countering every attack and was rather confident in the battle, which posed the question "Why doesn't he just finish it, then?"  The answer to which I think becomes more obvious in b6.  The movie scene served to build up the terror of the villain, I suppose.  But the book scene served to illustrate the very different worldviews the two had, and how they lead to the choices each made over the years.  

I concur b7 was a strong finish, though I considered the entire series very strong overall.  One of the most enjoyable series I've ever read, and with quite a lot of intricacy that demonstrates a very well-thought-out story from start to stop on the author's part.  The ending highlighted another discrepancy with the movies, though in the final battle's case, I don't fault the movie for changing things up.  I think the movie did what works for a movie there.  If it had tried to mimic the book completely, it would probably fall flat, because it only works with the ton of exposition you're afforded in the book.  And also, movies kinda need the high-octane action finale.  There was just too much interwoven into the grand story that culminated in the ending she wrote to get across in a movie.  So it diverted to another course entirely, in a way, which was just to have the grand battle royale between Harry and his foe.  It seems to me--though not explicitly stated--that in the book, the way everything was set up, by the time the final battle begins, Harry has won already because of the sacrificial planning of many before him.  Effectively, Voldemort is defeated before he ever gets the chance to duel.  In the movie, it's more of a classic "You vs. me, buddy.  Let's go."  Which works well for a movie, I think.  

I haven't re-read them, but I wouldn't mind another pass one day.  Her writing style was so enjoyable that even if I remember the major plot points, half the fun of reading those is all the minutia, which she writes extremely well.  Like you, it'd be interesting to see if and where my opinion changed over time.  

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #269 on: January 21, 2026, 01:44:39 PM »
As I recall from reading them years ago, it was book 5 that I thought was....not tedious, but kinda...sprawling.  It seemed to need some serious tightening up and could've used an editor to remove like 100 pages worth, imo.  
That was my initial reaction, too--and I think JK Rowling has said as much--but on a re-read, I actually really like it. And it is interesting that it is the longest book and the shortest movie. With my changed perspective, I think that's because the movies spend less time establishing the wizarding world, and have the benefit of visuals that the book can't rely on. My recollection is that there are also a lot of shortcuts in the movie (as is true throughout the series).

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #270 on: Today at 11:23:17 AM »
Finished a mediocre John Grisham thriller - The Rooster Bar (2017).

The value of The Rooster Bar is its exploration of the for-profit law school scam“producing handsome profits while cranking out little in the way of legal talent”—by charging students inflated tuition rates designed to hit federal student loan maximums. In other words: “…the scam that easy federal money could make law school possible for everyone.” The result, for too many students who wouldn’t have a chance for admittance into competitive law schools, was low bar passage rates and dismal job prospects.

For third-year law students Mark, Todd, and Zola the scam indebting them $200k in loans becomes their rationalization for running a scam of their own by posing as licensed attorneys and haggling for criminal cases at the DC courthouse. The story starts out a bit scattered while gradually building its case for how its main characters resort to the unauthorized practice of law:

“My worthless little brother is about to go to prison…Zola’s family gets rounded up and tossed in a prison to wait on deportation…Now we’re supposed to somehow push it all aside and hustle back to law school for our last semester…followed by two months in hell studying for the bar exam, so we can do something to make a little money, and start repayment.”

Chapter 16, partially composed of email correspondence, offers a practical glimpse into loan servicers contacting each character to “begin the process of structuring a repayment plan.” As one message explains, “As you know, the law requires a repayment plan to be signed at graduation, with your first payment due exactly six months after that.”

The pressure of steep loan repayment adds to the trio’s justification for scouring courtrooms and emergency rooms for clients. There’s an amusing showiness with how they watch and learn from real attorneys, mimicking what they themselves set out to do. Their scheme stumbles forward under pretenses too false to root on their deceptions:

“They felt lousy about a lot of things, but the clients they were stiffing really bothered them. Those people had trusted them, had paid them, were now getting cheated, and would get chewed up again by the system.”

Inevitably, a suspicious client tracks them to the Rooster Bar—the Washington DC address they list for their fake law firm, which also happens to be where two of them, the interchangeable Mark and Todd, work as bartenders. From then on, it’s a matter of corralling any remaining profits and fleeing the scene of mounting plaintiff complaints and bar investigations.

In its latter stretches, The Rooster Bar falls back on Grisham’s familiar bag of unrealistic stunts, such as offshoring large sums of money to cash out after fleeing legal jurisdiction. As with much of Grisham’s work, The Rooster Bar reads as easily transferable to the screen, though unlikely to be taken seriously by an experienced attorney.


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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #271 on: Today at 11:47:53 AM »
Grisham's latter works have left me not wanting to read him again.

 

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