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utee94

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« Reply #182 on: February 06, 2025, 04:06:59 PM »
Yup I keep all my books.  I re-read a lot of them, and now the kids read them too.

There will come a day when we move out of this monstrosity of a house and I'll be forced to downsize.  I'm okay with that.

Actually I've said for years that I hate moving so much, I'll be selling this house as-is with everything in it.  That includes all my books, and all my clothes.  The buyers can do whatever they want with them.  I'm loving the idea of the phrase "Everything conveys.  EVERYTHING."

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« Reply #183 on: February 06, 2025, 04:38:56 PM »
Do you guys try to keep ALL your books?

I mean, one of the reasons that I like using the Kindle is that for most fiction, I'm never going to re-read it. If I was buying those books in paper versions, it would just be something that I would eventually find a way to get rid of. Partly because this house just does NOT have anywhere near enough space... But also partly because I'm not a hoarder.

For me to actually buy a physical book means that it's a book that I value the content enough that I won't get rid of it. But that's a much smaller selection of books than everything I read.

And as we keep accumulating books, we are constantly in that decision-making process of "is there anything we have kept for a while, that perhaps over time we realized we just don't care and we can get rid of it?" There have been more than a few of those over the years now.

I get that.  Quite a lot of our books are non-fiction, and while I don't tend to read them through more than once, I frequently skim a section to refresh my memory.  In those I often highlight phrases or sections I can more easily reference when something comes to mind I want to cite.

However, even for fiction, we probably differ there as well.  The fiction I own, I own it because I want to read it again occasionally, and I do.  I very rarely want to see movies again.....ever....no matter how much I enjoyed them.  But books.....man, I will read a good book I enjoyed in a heartbeat.  Just the way I am.  

The wife....yeah....pretty much a hoarder.  Though to be fair, she has similar valid attachments to her books.  She likes poetry, and has volumes of the stuff.  

There are a lot of things I'll check out from the library, or at least I used to, in case I didn't like it enough to buy it.  The library for the little town I live in now sucks, and I don't bother.  I think there is some kind of program where you can participate with your library with libraries around the country and they can borrow books from other systems, with a little more red tape.  I've meant to look into that for a long time.  I have a Kindle and I was excited when I got it, but quickly found out I don't like reading on it.  It's useful when I travel, or if I know I have a long waiting room experience coming.  But that's about it.  I love to feel the pages in my hands, the weight of the book, the sound the paper makes when I turn a page...   Reading is a tactile experience for me.  

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« Reply #184 on: February 06, 2025, 05:51:34 PM »
Got it. 

I've kept a fair bit of non-fiction as well as a number of fiction books. Some of the non-fiction are to have on hand for reference, like The Federalist Papers or The Wealth of Nations... Some that are a little sentimental, like Kitchen Confidential and a couple of other books on Bourdain. And then there are a LOT of cookbooks lol. 

But most of the time even the non-fiction I'll buy on Kindle if it's a book that I don't think I'd actually keep and reread. And of course they're in my Kindle library, so I could reread them on Kindle if I actually wanted to reread them. 

And with Kindle books usually being significantly cheaper than print, if there's anything I love so much that I desperately want a hard copy, I've saved enough money over the years on Kindle books that there'd be no heartburn over the "waste" of buying it twice. 

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« Reply #185 on: February 06, 2025, 06:13:27 PM »
Yeah the Kindle is certainly convenient.  A part of me wishes I liked using them.  But, I don't.

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« Reply #186 on: February 06, 2025, 06:14:41 PM »
It's also not like I'm buying hundreds of books per year.  Maybe 10-12 in a good year.  I can afford that in hardcover if necessary.

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« Reply #187 on: February 06, 2025, 06:33:10 PM »
Yeah the Kindle is certainly convenient.  A part of me wishes I liked using them.  But, I don't.
I've heard that from others. For me, it just sort of disappears in my hand like a real book.

As I've said (I think in another thread) I doubt I would like the feeling of reading on any sort of a traditional tablet. The bright LCD screen, the potential distraction of knowing at any given moment I can have something else intruding on my reading, etc. 

But for me, the Kindle Paperwhite is great. The "e-Paper" concept to me feels almost like reading on paper. 

It's also not like I'm buying hundreds of books per year.  Maybe 10-12 in a good year.  I can afford that in hardcover if necessary.

Ahh. I'm not reading some outrageous number of books. My wife starting with COVID has been doing 50 books a year. I'm probably more like half to 2/3 of that on a typical year. But as you can imagine, that all adds up. 

I've been off for a little while. Football season does that to me. Right now I've got 7 books on my virtual stack to get to, though. A couple of those are book 1 of sci-fi series by authors I haven't yet read, so those few could spiral into a LOT more books pretty quickly...

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« Reply #188 on: February 07, 2025, 11:50:32 AM »
I always kept all my books that I bought and read until I was overran with books.  In my old house I had a 20 foot wall with an 8 foot ceiling in my living room with wall to ceiling book shelves.  Many of the shelves were double stacked with books.  My wife said I had to cut down when we moved.  I am now down to two 4'x7' book shelves and have converted to kindle a large number of the books, I sold, gave away or donated.  I probably buy on average about 20 kindle books a year. Sometimes it is a book that I read in the past and sometimes it is something new.  

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« Reply #189 on: February 07, 2025, 12:36:17 PM »
I've heard that from others. For me, it just sort of disappears in my hand like a real book.

As I've said (I think in another thread) I doubt I would like the feeling of reading on any sort of a traditional tablet. The bright LCD screen, the potential distraction of knowing at any given moment I can have something else intruding on my reading, etc.

But for me, the Kindle Paperwhite is great. The "e-Paper" concept to me feels almost like reading on paper.

Ahh. I'm not reading some outrageous number of books. My wife starting with COVID has been doing 50 books a year. I'm probably more like half to 2/3 of that on a typical year. But as you can imagine, that all adds up.

I've been off for a little while. Football season does that to me. Right now I've got 7 books on my virtual stack to get to, though. A couple of those are book 1 of sci-fi series by authors I haven't yet read, so those few could spiral into a LOT more books pretty quickly...

I love the look of the Kindle paperwhite, which is partially why I was surprised to find I didn't like reading on it.  The equivalent look could not make up for the loss of the feel.  But another thing I previously forgot to mention is that for whatever reason, I don't retain what I'm reading on a Kindle as well as I do a physical book.  I find myself reading the words but not comprehending them, and I re-read whole paragraphs or even entire pages because I have to back up and do the thing a second time, or even three.  My brain just melts into the flow of what's written when it's a real book.  I honestly don't know what's happening there, but it's a big reason I mostly ignore my Kindle. 

In 2020 I had committed to reading 20 pgs a day, which put me on a pace for about an average of 2 books per month.  I usually did more than 20 pages, often around 40, and I was rolling through my backlist really well for a while.  Then I went back to school and that pretty much killed all non-work time.  I graduated well over a year ago, and I'm still not back in the habit of doing my 20 pgs.  :73:

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« Reply #190 on: February 07, 2025, 12:49:25 PM »
In 2020 I had committed to reading 20 pgs a day, which put me on a pace for about an average of 2 books per month.  I usually did more than 20 pages, often around 40, and I was rolling through my backlist really well for a while.  Then I went back to school and that pretty much killed all non-work time.  I graduated well over a year ago, and I'm still not back in the habit of doing my 20 pgs.  :73:
That's another difference, I guess... I can't read a book 20 pgs a day. When I'm reading a book, I'm reading a book. I can barely put it down until I've finished it. I hate when I start a book on a weekend and it bleeds over into the work week because that means I can't sit around all day Monday reading it. 

When I was younger, my parents said I'd start a book and they wouldn't see me until it was finished... Including skipping meals and have to be called out of my room just to get me to leave the book alone and eat dinner. I'm not THAT bad as an adult--adult life/responsibilities tends to make that not feasible--but I probably would be if I could. 

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« Reply #191 on: February 07, 2025, 04:45:25 PM »
I'm with you there, especially with fiction.  I don't like quitting a story until I'm done with it, and I was the same way when I was young.  Or now, if I'm on vacation or something.  Wouldn't say I'm proud of this, but I missed more than one class back in my college days when I found the Harry Potter series :57:  I just thought whatever happened next with Gryffindor was more important than whatever my accounting professor had to say that day.  

When I was doing the 20 pgs/day thing a while back, it was almost exclusively non-fiction.  I find I can put those down a lot easier than a novel.  In fact, it's better if I do.  Mostly it wasn't what I'd call light reading, and reading it in smaller doses helped me to assimilate the information and chew on the concepts I'd been introduced to.  

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« Reply #192 on: February 08, 2025, 11:39:50 AM »
Do you guys try to keep ALL your books?

Yes, for the most part I do. If I've liked a book well enough it goes on one of my three bookshelves (and if not it will eventually be donated or passed on to a buddy who might be more suited to the subject). Reading is my faithful weeknight escape. If a book has provided an engaging enough escape I'll plan to eventually read once more. Books worth rereading are often more rewarding on second and third readings, a very understated finding. Until then, books saved on my shelves are like trophies won for the small accomplishment of finishing them. Because there's no guilt when it comes to reading. Reading is active as opposed to passive TV entertainment. Reading is learning. Reading is thinking. Reading is enlightenment.

In 2020 I had committed to reading 20 pgs a day, which put me on a pace for about an average of 2 books per month.  I usually did more than 20 pages, often around 40, and I was rolling through my backlist really well for a while.  Then I went back to school and that pretty much killed all non-work time.  I graduated well over a year ago, and I'm still not back in the habit of doing my 20 pgs.

Your reading strategy is remarkably similar to mine, but instead of counting pages I time my reading in 30 minute increments before bed, reading anywhere between about 20 and 40 pages for 30 to 60 minutes. And I've been doing this for over twenty years, keeping this up since high school, through my military enlistment, undergrad years, and now working ever since with the alarm set for the 6AM hour. Which leads to the big drawback of this strategy: if I've had a long day on the job I risk falling asleep a few pages in. Nevertheless, I've consistently totaled about 20-25 books annually, a similar rate of 2 books per month.

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« Reply #193 on: February 08, 2025, 12:44:42 PM »
 books saved on my shelves are like trophies won for the small accomplishment of finishing them.

I never thought about this, but now that you say it, I'm pretty sure that's a part of it.  They're like a monument of successful challenges met.  

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« Reply #194 on: February 08, 2025, 12:56:46 PM »
That's another difference, I guess... I can't read a book 20 pgs a day. When I'm reading a book, I'm reading a book. I can barely put it down until I've finished it. I hate when I start a book on a weekend and it bleeds over into the work week because that means I can't sit around all day Monday reading it.

When I was younger, my parents said I'd start a book and they wouldn't see me until it was finished... Including skipping meals and have to be called out of my room just to get me to leave the book alone and eat dinner. I'm not THAT bad as an adult--adult life/responsibilities tends to make that not feasible--but I probably would be if I could.
My parents gave me a flash light to read in bed so I wouldn't keep my brother awake because they knew I was going to read anyway. 

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« Reply #195 on: February 18, 2025, 10:37:09 AM »
Finally finished The World of Yesterday by Stefan Zweig, a book on my reading list for a few years now.

As a prolific novelist, playwright, biographer, publisher of historical texts, and a world traveler hailing from Vienna’s turn-of-the-century scene of intellectuals and artists, Zweig’s literary talent coalesces into his memoir, The World of Yesterday, reflecting on his years living through Europe’s two World War periods, both coinciding with his most active years as an author widely read across Europe.

Though inescapably anchored in history, Zweig is careful to say that this is not a strictly historical recounting of either war, but rather his standby recollections of how both wars played out and impacted the lives of so many. With more time gone by to assess WWI, Zweig writes with clearer understanding and objectivity to its surprising outbreak, its sights – “…in Austria there were notices up in every station announcing general mobilization,” and its aftermath. When returning to Austria after its defeat alongside Germany, Zweig writes alarmingly of his native nation falling into shambles: “No new buildings had been erected in Austria for four years, many houses were in a dilapidated state, and now suddenly countless demobilized soldiers and prisoners of war were streaming back and had nowhere to go…” Austria’s currency had collapsed, causing an economic depression, and food shortages abounded.

Still, through the interwar years, Zweig continues writing, killing time in sidewalk cafes, and continuing friendships with an impressive roll call of artists and intellectuals across the continent. There’s a lot of namedropping in, The World of Yesterday, but it’s perfectly warranted given his hosting of and/or correspondences with numerous figures – among the more well known: Thomas Mann, James Joyce, William Butler Yeats, Maxim Gorky, and Sigmund Freud. He travels as well, dedicating months in London, Germany, Italy, and Switzerland, all while tracking signs of WWII’s dictatorships gradually taking hold. It is in Russia while visiting Leo Tolstoy’s burial mound that he realizes that as a foreigner the Russian state keeps him under surveillance and subject to constant propaganda.

As Stefan Zweig’s memoir nears the frightening onset of WWII, there’s an immediacy to his reflections, especially in recounting the events in Germany – reflections too recent for him to grasp (with our modern hindsight) the vast destructiveness of WWII across Europe. Himself a Jewish artist whose works and plays are suddenly banned across Germany, it’s tough to read how Zweig is only beginning to comprehend just how fateful the 1930s will become for so many fellow Jews outcast and eventually lost to the Nazi state. 


 

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