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MikeDeTiger

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OSU X's and O's question
« on: January 20, 2020, 03:50:45 PM »
Any of you Buckeyes--or others--who like to nerd out on schemes, I have a question for you about Ryan Day/Kevin Wilson and the playoff game against Clemson.  

Other than the fact it was a great game, I saw something in it that I had to go back and review more carefully to be sure I wasn't imagining it.  I was surprised how much the Bucks kept the TE in to block when it looked like Venables left that open for attack most of the day.  Looking for meaningful data on the upcoming LSU/Clemson final, that's what jumped out at me....I thought TE Moss would be the difference maker based on what Clemson was showing and how I thought they might defend LSU.  That turned out to be legit, every defensive look gives up something, and while the game log will show just 5 catches and 1 TD for Moss, it can't be overstated how huge his grabs were.  Even when he wasn't the target he stopped commitment in the box.  

Looked like Ohio State gambled that they needed the TE in to block, but it sure looked like releasing him to draw away some LB and safety help would've made Clemson ease up a bit on the pressure looks, because MAN there were some seams open for the TE if Fields got it to him.

I watched maybe 5, 6 at the most, Ohio State games this year.  Is the top TE a good pass catcher, and does Day usually make good use out of that?  In the end I was left with the impression OSU could've won that game but didn't stress enough of the field often enough.  That's what Clemson appeared ready to give up, and if they adjust for that, Dobbins probably goes off more and a guy like Olave doesn't get bracketed as much.  

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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 04:33:33 PM »
https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/video/1654473283897

Good observation MDT.  Did wonder that during the game.  Buckeyes have several excellent TEs on their roster with great hands, namely Ruckert’s, in vid attached and, Jake Hausman. 

They don’t go there often, with only 25 receptions this year, but usually at least 2 targets per game.  They most often used the TE in the situation you describ, as seen in video....where they defense is crowding the line and getting pressure.

I think the biggest variable in Ohio State’s lack of performance in that game was Fields lack of mobility—-needed surgery right after the season.  Day and Wilson used him masterfully during the season ( right up to his injury v Penn State) to threaten and constrain defenses, which not only opened up lanes for Dobbins, but made Ohio State extremely difficult to stop on 3rd downs.

The irony of that game is that Lawrence got it done running, and Fields had a really good day passing.  For those who do follow OSU, many thought Fields was a run first QB when in fact it is the opposite.  Despite being a crazy-good runner and scrambler, he does not get “ happy feet” when in fact he should some times,  and takes some avoidable sacks.  That was his only real weakness. I am actually excited to see what Ryan Day can do with him in year 2, since Day’s QB development has been incredible so far and he has yet to have a QB for more than one season.
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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 04:49:26 PM »
Ah, okay.  Sounds like Venables was just prepping according to OSU put on film for him this year then.  

Would've been a great constraint to knock Clemson off their game, I think.  Those Venables defenses are dangerous.  He's as aggressive as a guy like Todd Grantham but not as reckless, and it's a dangerous combo.  I think a key way to put units like that in a bind is to be willing to stress whatever the defense is willing to vacate.  Ohio State is in a unique position to pull that off because they have outstanding talent literally all over the field.  

Winning one on one matchups is great, but ultimately I think you've got to be ready to take what the defense gives, so to speak.  I know that's oversimplified.  

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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 07:21:04 PM »
Pretty much HB filled you in but keeping the TE in IMO had more to do with Fields bad wheel than scheme.Should have rolled the dice more concerning Ruckert.Be a good question at the presser,congrats to LSU.Thought I heard the Bayou Bengals lost both Coordinators :sign0065:
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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 10:52:30 AM »
Sort of.  Steve Ensminger is LSU's OC, not Joe Brady, although the media paints it very differently most people don't remember it.  The plays that were brought in definitely had a lot to do with Joe Brady, and he also helped game-planning during the week.  The playcalls themselves during games and the actual coordinating were absolutely still Ensminger.  Brady will be missed, but I don't think it hails quite the amount of drawback and change that outsiders think.  

Brady followed Baylor's Matt Rhule to the Carolina Panthers.  DC Aranda took Matt Rhules vacated spot.  

So after all the top ten teams played.....it's BAYLOR who finally figured out how to stop LSU  :smiley_confused1:

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 10:58:36 AM »
Oh, and for all the Bucks maybe reading this.....

Thanks for Joe Burreaux.  

I thought at the end of last season there were definite signs we were looking at a Top 15, maybe top 10 QB for this season.

I didn't think he'd wind up arguably the GOAT.  

Any more transfers y'all would like to give us, it's PORTAL SZN, bay-beeeee!!!  Send 'em on down.  

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 02:39:54 PM »
kindly DON'T send them anymore all-world qb's please. or any other all-world position players or coaches for that matter.

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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 02:50:02 PM »

Thanks for Joe Burreaux. 

Great story - crazy set of circumstances.Urbz love of JT,a broken thumb and Dwayne Haskins emerging kinda all crossed paths sending Jeaux south
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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 04:39:02 PM »
Oh, and for all the Bucks maybe reading this.....

Thanks for Joe Burreaux. 

I thought at the end of last season there were definite signs we were looking at a Top 15, maybe top 10 QB for this season.

I didn't think he'd wind up arguably the GOAT. 

Any more transfers y'all would like to give us, it's PORTAL SZN, bay-beeeee!!!  Send 'em on down. 
I'm very happy for Joe Burrow and was glad to see him that kind of success. He is still loved by the Ohio State faithful and by the team in general. It could not have happened to a nicer person. 

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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2020, 06:13:14 PM »
Great story - crazy set of circumstances.Urbz love of JT,a broken thumb and Dwayne Haskins emerging kinda all crossed paths sending Jeaux south
 It sure I would include “Urbz” in there. 

by Burrows own admission- he was nowhere near ready to supplant JT.  
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2020, 06:41:43 PM »
never read that,not in 2016 he went 22-28 and the media was bringing up competition/rotation because of arm strength.There was a royal up roar after the Clemson whitwashing.Urbz declared after 31-0 that everything was open for competition.Then turn around and handed it right back to JTB and his lobs in the spring.Remember Tim May of the Dispatch had a great article on it
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Re: OSU X's and O's question
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2020, 06:59:20 PM »
never read that,not in 2016 he went 22-28 and the media was bringing up competition/rotation because of arm strength.There was a royal up roar after the Clemson whitwashing.Urbz declared after 31-0 that everything was open for competition.Then turn around and handed it right back to JTB and his lobs in the spring.Remember Tim May of the Dispatch had a great article on it
Yeah I can’t remember if I read it or heard him say it in an interview but he said he was nowhere near what he is now. Remember his first year at LSU was pretty ho-hum as well so I don’t think I can blame Meyer we’re thinking JT gave them the best chance to win given at the time he was the Most prolific quarterback in the Big Ten history
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2020, 05:33:55 PM »
No disrespect but he kept coming back each year also.His prospect on the pro boards never climbed much and he had problems when the competition leveled off.In the 2014 & 2017 Michigan games for instance both games he left either behind or tied and Jones & Haskins respectively pulled out the wins by going deep or spreading defenses out because of arm strength.He simply couldn't go over the top,Urbs could have rotated like he did in FLA. - that was the discussions/disagreements on 11 Warriors/Bucknuts/O-Zone at the time
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2020, 05:46:55 PM »
No disrespect but he kept coming back each year also.His prospect on the pro boards never climbed much and he had problems when the competition leveled off.In the 2014 & 2017 Michigan games for instance both games he left either behind or tied and Jones & Haskins respectively pulled out the wins by going deep or spreading defenses out because of arm strength.He simply couldn't go over the top,Urbs could have rotated like he did in FLA. - that was the discussions/disagreements on 11 Warriors/Bucknuts/O-Zone at the time
No disrespect taken. Yeah Haskins bail them out with a couple nice passes in the Michigan game. Makes you wonder why urban didn’t put Burrow in because he was available?? As far as Cardale Jones all he did was hand off when he replaced JT in the Michigan game

At that point Haskins was better than Burrow- also evidenced by the full seasons they had in 18.   
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