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Is Ohio State's dominance all that surprising?  They have out recruited everyone year in and year out. 

Wow, and I thought the JT Barrett bashing was over....but here we go again.

The guy had the #1 passer rating in the history of the B10...AND ran for 3000+ yards!!!!!!!!!  Holy hell, people!  Take LSU's OC away, and no, Joe Burrow isn't a Heisman contender, sorry.  OSU fans wanted him in over Barrett?  Yeah, the backup QB is the most popular guy on the team - he can fix all the team's ills.  Yawn.


Unbelievable. 

I think us OSU fans see what this offense is capable of with a QB that can throw a ball down field accurately more than 15 yds. JT was a great player, but was limited in his ability to consistently hit receivers accurately and in stride. He compiled a lot of yards in the air, but generally against lesser competition. Sure he had some games where he threw very well and looked great. But they were over shadowed by a lot of games where he was missing wide open receivers 20-30 yds downfield consistently.

Part of the problem however was Meyer's insistence that his QB be a big part of his run game, and that was JT's forte. He was a serviceable passer, but a great runner. Meyer favored a running QB that could make a few throws over a passing QB that could not take over a game with his legs (Haskins).

What drives OSU fans nuts is seeing Burrow now at LSU showing that he was capable of both. I know that I was saying this a couple of years ago. I thought he ran well enough to be successful in Meyer's system, but also threw the ball well enough to take the top off the defense and get the safeties out of the box. But Meyer was loyal to JT to a fault.

I know this is not quantifiable, but I feel that if Fields had transferred in while JT was there and Meyer was still the HC, Fields would be warming the bench as Meyer would have stubbornly stayed with JT come hell or high water. Of all the great things Meyer did at and for OSU, he limited himself with his blind loyalty to certain players and coaches. 

The sudden turnaround in the defense this year is evidence of that. Schiano while probably a very good coach, was stubbornly unwilling to change his defensive philosophy in order to correct problems with the Defense. A good head coach would have addressed this early on, but Meyer did not do much to force Shciano to change things up due to his loyalty. Day comes in, fires the entire Def staff (save Larry Johnson) and look at the results with essentially the same players. 

This,so much this^^^^^^^^,NOB - you get a Yuengling

Leave our PA beer alone.

There was a time it was the dominate beer at PSU tailgates or PSU bars.  It was a PSU tradition. 

Nowadays Yuengling's popularity here is WAY down for political reasons. 

Do some home work this from the 2019 NFL Combine all three(Campbell,Dixon,McClaurin) played with JT in '16 & '17.And they didn't even start but saw snaps.Ya practice squad,would you like the 2016-17 Buckeye Rosters also


INDIANAPOLIS -- Thirty-seven receivers ran the 40 at the NFL Combine on Saturday.
Ohio State receivers took first, fifth and eighth.
As one program, the Buckeyes went stride for stride with the SEC, whose fastest receivers clocked in third, third and sixth.
Parris Campbell ran 4.31, Terry McLaurin 4.35 and Johnnie Dixon 4.41.
The best of the SEC went 4.33, 4.33, 4.39.
The 40 at the combine is a delight and a fun dash for bragging rights. Speed matters and teams care and money can be made, but the stopwatch doesn’t assure anything about the draft or their NFL careers. Former Buckeye Michael Thomas ran 4.57 at the combine three years ago. Now he might be the best receiver in the NFL.

So the starters weren't that good, but the kids playing less were. Sounds like OSU needed to start an all-underclassman offense to really have an attack that could compete in the playoff.

And if we get to count the young pups, I'm confused about something with Campbell and McLaurin. There were top-3 round draft picks, but they stayed all the way through senior seasons. Stayed through their fifth-year senior seasons in fact. I'm impressed such bounties of talent passed up the draft twice. As we've said, people don't "develop" or whatever we might call it. The spring forth, fully formed. 

I retract it all, in 2016, he was just throwing to studs. The riches in the WR room were near as good as the riches in the QB room. 

Beer and politics shouldn't be mixed

What drives OSU fans nuts is seeing Burrow now at LSU showing that he was capable of both. I know that I was saying this a couple of years ago. I thought he ran well enough to be successful in Meyer's system, but also threw the ball well enough to take the top off the defense and get the safeties out of the box. But Meyer was loyal to JT to a fault.

I know this is not quantifiable, but I feel that if Fields had transferred in while JT was there and Meyer was still the HC, Fields would be warming the bench as Meyer would have stubbornly stayed with JT come hell or high water. Of all the great things Meyer did at and for OSU, he limited himself with his blind loyalty to certain players and coaches.

The sudden turnaround in the defense this year is evidence of that. Schiano while probably a very good coach, was stubbornly unwilling to change his defensive philosophy in order to correct problems with the Defense. A good head coach would have addressed this early on, but Meyer did not do much to force Shciano to change things up due to his loyalty. Day comes in, fires the entire Def staff (save Larry Johnson) and look at the results with essentially the same players.

We'll start at the top. Do you feel RS freshman Burrow was better than RS junior Burrow? Simple question, but it stay a lot about setting the table. 

Moving on to the non-quantifible part. I think this is interesting because it's not at all unique to Urbs. Fans across the country assume their coach loves their not great QB to a fault. It's pretty common. At a point, we must ask, are all these coaches watching hours of practice films and misjudging all of it (maybe), or are fans by and large built to believe what they've hardly seen is better than what they often see? This is not to say it's 100 percent one way or the other, only that this common feeling might be endemic in the kind of optimism we see in ourselves.

The Schiano thing speaks to another sort of splintered perspective. You're saying the coach would've addressed it early on. I assume you mean early last season, maybe after the suspension? Because here's the thing. You know who built the two best OSU defenses in the Urbs era? That'd be Schiano. His first two were better than Ash's, notably better. Should he have been fired after doing that back-to-back years? Or are we prisoners of rather emotional moments. 

(Also worth noting, the new OSU DC was demoted by Michigan, basically passed over twice, and now has this. Maybe it's just the odd nature of CFB at play?)

The larger point is this, it's one of entitlement. OSU fans assume these are 15-0 teams and it is incumbent upon the coaches not to mismanage them down to only playoff teams. There is no thought that it's hard to be that good, that consistently contending, that there's an easy fix if only some young player were handed the job without putting in the work. We ignore the oddity of the sport, the fact almost no one goes undefeated and only one team wins each season. Perhaps the earlier part is how sports should be and really is, but I remain skeptical. 

No not at all they got plenty of playing time.Noah Brown,Curtis Samuel(who were great collegiate receivers)Cory Smith also.Before that JT had Devin Smith who was fantastic and Michael Thomas.That's why Urbz coined it the "Spread".Read NOBs take he's right Nick Saban would have pulled JT who was no where as good as Jalen Hurts long time ago.Again adjustments were not being made,can't help that if you can't see it.Again a QB rotation prolly would have worked liked Urbs did in Fla

Wait, we can’t be invoking the time he had Smith and Thomas. That would tell us that a red shirt freshman JT who wasn’t supposed to start the second in the country and passer rating. And if that was the case, it would imply players could change in the course of their careers, which might just mean senior Burrow tells us not much about redshirt freshman burrow. And if that’s the case, this is all lamenting conjecture.

also, how do you mean coined “spread”