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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2019, 03:56:56 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 28, 2019, 02:41:33 PM
Ya or the one who can actually throw a spiral consistently/accurately over 25 yds
or the one that is not turning the ball over
obviously it's tougher to have turnovers standing near the bench
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2019, 05:25:23 PM »
Obviously,going 22-28, with no picks against the same teams the starter ran up the score on isn't impressive.Or what he's doing now,just saying they could have rotated like he did in FLA - say he won with that.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2019, 05:30:04 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 28, 2019, 03:13:42 PM
and if he wasn’t, people would’ve moaned endlessly about getting too cute unless he turned around and won a title a title the next year. That defense was mean, and if your assumption is, RFr Burrow is gonna score a bunch on that ... it seems fanciful.
How many times did you see Burrow play in 2016?You make the same argument you made for Cooper - OH he won(JT).While ignoring the embarrassment of riches that surrounded them.I don't expect to win titles every 2-3-4 yrs.But when you get there for gosh sakes pull out all the stops.Hell it worked just 2 years prior but maybe you weren't watching
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2019, 05:44:20 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 28, 2019, 03:56:56 PM
or the one that is not turning the ball over
obviously it's tougher to have turnovers standing near the bench
That actually wasn’t the problem in this Particular situation. If anything, the changeover probably would have increased the number of turnovers.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2019, 06:00:35 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 28, 2019, 05:30:04 PM
How many times did you see Burrow play in 2016?You make the same argument you made for Cooper - OH he won.While ignoring the embarrassment of riches that surrounded them.I don't expect to win titles every 2-3-4 yrs.But when you get there for gosh sakes pull out all the stops.Hell it worked just 2 years prior but maybe you weren't watching
I will admit, I didn’t watch them play all that much that season. You didn’t either. One of the most successful offense of coaches of all time did. But we have decided his opinion isn’t super valid. But we do this thing in sports where what we don’t see is assumed to be better than what we don’t.

The argument here is different than cooper, which mostly comes down to gaps between good, very good and great and the argument Tulsa-Oklahoma State isn’t a real rivalry. The argument here is that Joe Burrow at that point most likely wasn’t as good as you wanted him to be, and that if he had played and stuff had gone sideways, we’d be hearing about it years later barring him winning a title down the road.

(tell me of the riches. One pretty decent NFL receiver, a bunch of practice squad guys, an embarrassment indeed)
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2019, 06:03:22 PM »
How much does what Burrow is doing now color perception retroactively?  Seems hard to avoid stuff like that.  LSU fans looked at what limited footage was available when we got him and decided to be optimistic because we're fans, and what else should we do?  But it was limited.  We certainly had a minority of fans and plenty fans of other teams tell us they weren't scared of a guy who was 3rd string and couldn't see the field in the Big Ten.  Mostly before this season, but you get the idea.  
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2019, 06:30:32 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 28, 2019, 06:00:35 PM
I will admit, I didn’t watch them play all that much that season. You didn’t either. 
Put that thing out you'll burn you fingers.Urban kept Zack Smith around for years.He's more than capable of saying/doing dumb shit.Meyer won an NC with a QB that he neither recruited or started.Urbs made an assinine assertion at media days that led to him being suspended and erasing phone/personnel messages.Nick Saban pulled his QB(in a NCG no less)when he wasn't getting it done.Urbz never thought of it when JT was getting his brakes beat off.What did Einstein say “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
That whole season many beat writers questioned why the QB who passes the eye test was getting no snaps.Go to youtube and watch the 2017 Michigan game,Barret left the game injured and down either 6 or 8 I forget.And got lucky it wasn't worse as he hit a M LB right in the numbers that you would have caught.Any way Haskins came in erased the deficit and commanded a 31-20 win.URBZ dedication in that situation was to a player not the program.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2019, 06:31:30 PM »
Fans ... Some thought Fields was not very good and just a runner ...
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2019, 06:52:39 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 28, 2019, 06:00:35 PM
(tell me of the riches. One pretty decent NFL receiver, a bunch of practice squad guys, an embarrassment indeed)
Do some home work this from the 2019 NFL Combine all three(Campbell,Dixon,McClaurin) played with JT in '16 & '17.And they didn't even start but saw snaps.Ya practice squad,would you like the 2016-17 Buckeye Rosters also


INDIANAPOLIS -- Thirty-seven receivers ran the 40 at the NFL Combine on Saturday.
Ohio State receivers took first, fifth and eighth.
As one program, the Buckeyes went stride for stride with the SEC, whose fastest receivers clocked in third, third and sixth.
Parris Campbell ran 4.31, Terry McLaurin 4.35 and Johnnie Dixon 4.41.
The best of the SEC went 4.33, 4.33, 4.39.
The 40 at the combine is a delight and a fun dash for bragging rights. Speed matters and teams care and money can be made, but the stopwatch doesn’t assure anything about the draft or their NFL careers. Former Buckeye Michael Thomas ran 4.57 at the combine three years ago. Now he might be the best receiver in the NFL.

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2019, 07:42:26 PM »
I'm tiring of this thread
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2019, 11:18:24 PM »
Hey were not a 10th of the way to "Welcoming Nebraska" but ya I'm done.......for now.........Bug Eater
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #81 on: October 29, 2019, 05:50:24 AM »
Wow, and I thought the JT Barrett bashing was over....but here we go again.

The guy had the #1 passer rating in the history of the B10...AND ran for 3000+ yards!!!!!!!!!  Holy hell, people!  Take LSU's OC away, and no, Joe Burrow isn't a Heisman contender, sorry.  OSU fans wanted him in over Barrett?  Yeah, the backup QB is the most popular guy on the team - he can fix all the team's ills.  Yawn.


Unbelievable.  
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #82 on: October 29, 2019, 06:54:16 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on October 28, 2019, 02:37:51 PM

Fans' most popular player is the backup QB. 
It's not frequent that you have two first round draft picks as backup QBs
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #83 on: October 29, 2019, 07:00:52 AM »
QBs these days come in as freshmen far more ready to start than they did back in the day.  The level of coaching they get at various camps etc. is off the charts, they basically are "pros" at age 13 or so.  They spend their "free time" working on their craft, and few play other sports to detract from that.  They go to school to keep up their grades of course and probably focus on less challenging course work even if they could handle tougher stuff.

And now of course they bounce around if they don't start as freshmen.  They often don't even sit a year.  I don't blame them of course, they have worked very hard to position themselves for the NFL, and sitting in college is not going to help at all versus playing.  And by and large the transfers are going to Name Programs.

This is part of the "NFLing" of CFB IMHO.  Soon they might get compensated for their likenesses.  The wheels are coming off the bus.
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