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Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #196 on:** October 31, 2019, 12:37:25 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 31, 2019, 12:10:10 PM

It is a point of interest for sure, and I'm pretty certain we all know why.

Interesting, also, is that the several who work for me are not liberal. Two of them still live with their parents though. I guess that's a thing too, with that generation.

That bugs me.
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Staying on facts only, student loans and housing prices have far outpaced inflation. That is a major factor in why they are less likely to own cars, have fewer or no children, and live at home.

The automobile industry is in serious trouble.

Tangentially related, can we do an investing post, too?

FearlessF · « **Reply #197 on:** October 31, 2019, 12:39:24 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on October 31, 2019, 12:21:11 PM

I agree easy coin

helluva lot fewer hours in the work week

MrNubbz · « **Reply #198 on:** October 31, 2019, 12:42:31 PM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on October 31, 2019, 12:37:25 PM

Staying on facts only, student loans and housing prices have far outpaced inflation. That is a major factor in why they are less likely to own cars, have fewer or no children, and live at home.

The automobile industry is in serious trouble.

Tangentially related, can we do an investing post, too?

something wicked this way comes and I'm not talking about last nite's Chili - hope I'm wrong

FearlessF · « **Reply #199 on:** October 31, 2019, 12:43:01 PM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on October 31, 2019, 11:53:11 AM

Thanks, I love data like this. Very interesting.

Another point of interest, millennials and Gen X are far more liberal than older generations. As those groups become larger voting blocks it will be interesting to see if that will counter the red shift in some of these states.

scared the heck outa my liberal daughters.............

Told them that I was a liberal at their age

got the wheels spinning as to if they would some day mature into a couple evil conservatives

as Daltrey said...........

Things they do look awful c-c-cold
Yeah, I hope I die before I get old

Kris60 · « **Reply #200 on:** October 31, 2019, 12:44:41 PM »

Nubbz, I’ll give you this, you’ve made a good case. Because I have to admit every time I’ve heard an Ohio St fan complain about JT Barrett my knee jerk reaction has always been, “You spoiled brats are complaining about a guy who won a ton of games and set a ton of records? Give me a break.”

And while you haven’t flipped me over to the other side just yet you have at least made a pretty decent case as to why you have that viewpoint. I told a buddy after the Georgia game in which Tua replaced Hurts that the only coach in the country with enough credibility in the bank to make that kind of change was Saban. He already had his rings. People had a trust he knew what he was doing so even if Tua came in and crapped the bed Saban had the resume to back such a gutsy decision. There is no way a coach without championships would have done that. I firmly believe that.

Maybe the only other guy in the country (besides Dabo now) who had the reputation to do something like that was Meyer.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #201 on:** October 31, 2019, 12:58:48 PM »

A big student loan for a degree in art history is not a good thing.

A big student loan for a degree in the STEM fields is fine, and manageable.

It's not hard to connect the dots here.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #202 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:06:30 PM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on October 31, 2019, 09:40:59 AM

Of course you are right that the coach has hundreds if not thousands of hours of tape and practice on who his QB is. We the fans, get one maybe two practices and game day. We fans also have selective memory, for OSU we all remember Jackson (starter) Germaine (backup) fiasco ("It cost us a national title!") Backups and Rookies tend to get a performance bump, because like us fans opposing coaches and defenses haven't had a chance to study him as well. I really think the "No Tape On Jones", helped OSU win the 14 title. He looked world beater those 3 games, but seemed human the next year... So, it becomes obvious that the backup is better, especially when the backup can do something the starter has struggled with.

I agree with most of your post. However, I would like to address this paragraph.

While yes, teams didn't have much tape on Jones prior to the BTCG, that is not the primary reason for the teams success. If you watch closely, it is quite apparent that Herman made some tweaks to the offense to take advantage of Jones's arm and his lack of experience in running the trademark zone read. They wanted to put the game in Zeke's hands and give Cardell safe throws that would most likely be either completions or incompletions out of the field of play. That is not to say that Jones didn't run the ball at all, he did. However, the number of zone reads was greatly reduced as compared to their game plans with Barrett.

What worked for them however is that Jones was able to connect on the downfield throws with some consistency thereby loosening up the defense by forcing the safeties to play at a normal depth. This in turn allowed Elliot more room to operate within the box and not having the safety plugging holes. (It also helped that in the Sugar Bowl, Jones ran over their safety essentially putting him out of the game.)

As for the 2015 season, the offense went back to Urban's style and the tweaks that Herman made for the end of 2014, were put on the shelf. As was quite apparent, Jones was not very effective in that offense.

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #203 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:16:21 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 31, 2019, 12:58:48 PM

A big student loan for a degree in art history is not a good thing.

A big student loan for a degree in the STEM fields is fine, and manageable.

It's not hard to connect the dots here.

Staying on facts only:
my neighbor has a kid going to RIT for robotics. His tuition is $264K for 4 years. All will be loans, he will probably make $60K coming out. Call it $45K after taxes, benefits, health insurance. That’s $3.75K per month. $2,800 will be going to student loans. That gives him $900 a month to live on. That’s before housing, food, clothes, transportation, etc.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #204 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:33:44 PM »

Daughter #1 majored in French and English at OSU. I was paying about $16 K a year all in. Not bad. She now works in C-bus as a "Senior Web Designer" and is making close to $100 K, which is pretty good there. The other one in Texas majored in polysci I think and went to law school and is making well over $100 K. You don't have to major in a STEM necessarily if you are flexible and hard working. (Our uncle paid for the second one's education, aside from law school. Not working as a lawyer.)

847badgerfan · « **Reply #205 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:38:08 PM »

Robotics Engineering?

That salary estimate is very low. Lowly Civil Engineers are getting $60K, right out of school. My friend's son is getting $85K, one year out of school. He has his own place too.

Anyway, that kid you're talking about should have gone to a public school, if he or family can't afford RIT. Life is about choices. People make bad ones too often.

Not my problem, until it becomes my problem. I'm sure it will, eventually.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #206 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:40:11 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 01:33:44 PM

Daughter #1 majored in French and English at OSU. I was paying about $16 K a year all in. Not bad. She now works in C-bus as a "Senior Web Designer" and is making close to $100 K, which is pretty good there. The other one in Texas majored in polysci I think and went to law school and is making well over $100 K. You don't have to major in a STEM necessarily if you are flexible and hard working. (Our uncle paid for the second one's education, aside from law school. Not working as a lawyer.)

Depends what you want to do. If you want to be a licensed engineer, for example, there is no other choice but to get an engineering degree. I wish more kids would go into engineering, because it's really hard to find them these days (probably because it's not easy, and most kids like easy).

FearlessF · « **Reply #207 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:42:31 PM »

My daughter's annual cost at UNL was about $16K all in. I paid for all tuition and books and other college realted expenses. She paid for rent and food.

She was a server and bartender 2 or 3 nights a week.

She will graduate in May with no debt.

now, it's s degree in education, so she won't have a great salary, but with no debt it should work.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #208 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:46:28 PM »

My kids didn't know what they wanted to do, but they both wanted to avoid any STEM field. They didn't much like science and math in HS. OK then.

ANY college degree is worth something IF you are flexible and hard working and go after it. A STEM degree sets you up very nicely right out of the gate.

Usually, some of the science degrees are not that useful really in terms of employment, like a BS in Physics or Math.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #209 on:** October 31, 2019, 01:48:12 PM »

I hired a lot of "technicians" who had BS degrees in chemistry. It was not easy to find good ones. I had an opening and a buddy had been using this guy as a temp. He had a degree in archeology, but he worked hard and learned quickly. I watched him around the lab we shared and ended up hiring him as a technician and he was superb because he worked hard and learned quickly.++

He told me he had been doing "digs" in Ohio and earning about $25 K a year which is why he took this temp job. We started him somewhere around $55 K back when that was solid pay.

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