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Topic: #7 Notre Dame 27, #6 Penn State 24 Postgame

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FearlessF

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2025, 06:33:17 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on January 06, 2025, 12:28:26 PM
The correct criticism, imo, is not "He can't beat Top 10" teams since as pointed out, most teams aren't favored against a top 10 team.  Rather, it's why isn't PSU a legit top 10 team more often?  In other words, why can't Franklin field a team that is not a consistent dog to top teams? 
have you tried to recruit top ten classes to Happy Valley, Pennsylvania???
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2025, 08:44:47 PM »
Are these the 4 best teams?  Or more precisely, is the best team one of these four?
This is what I don't like about this year's version of this playoff.
Ohio State very well could be the best team....but they lost twice, including to an average UM team.
They revenged their other loss, which is a plus, and by a much larger MOV, another good sign.
But in this format, OSU lost to Oregon and the Ducks went on to win the rest of their games as OSU lost to UM. 
So OSU loses to Oregon, loses to another team, but then just needs to beat Oregon in a rematch to advance further than the team with fewer losses that they split with.  Hmmph.

ND could be the best team.  Great season aside from the rogue-wave loss.  Most national champs have their close call, often to some random-ass teams of varying quality.  One brain fart game doesn't prevent them from possibly actually being the best team/season.

Penn State is probably not the best team...in the Big Ten.  They've only lost to very good teams, but that's true every season.  They get to advance by avoiding big-boy teams and playing G5 teams (SMU was G5 until this year).  Hmph.

Texas probably isn't the best team.  They had 2 shots at UGA and lost both.  Both were close, but both were losses.  It's hard to be the best team in the country when you're someone's bitch. 

Oregon is far more likely to be the best team, compared to either Penn St or Texas is, right?  So is this a good system?
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2025, 08:51:47 PM »
Playoffs have only ever determined a tournament champion, not necessarily a "best team" but that's nothing new.  Same as it ever was.
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2025, 09:03:36 PM »
Then why do we lie and call them champions?  
I don't expect perfection or even prudence, but I don't understand the willful intellectual dishonesty.  With this, with the Heisman, etc.  
Do what you're doing, just don't lie about it.  Right?
The oddest lies are the unnecessary ones.
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2025, 09:51:06 PM »
I think Texas, Ohio St. or ND could be the best team in the country this season

more likely Ohio St. or ND

I think it's very likely if one of them wins their next two games against that competition

if Texas wins against Ohio St. and then beats the Irish, who's to say the horns weren't the best team?
the Dawgs might speak up, but they also had their chance
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2025, 09:55:12 PM »
With a backup QB.  How would ND or Penn State fare with their backup QB?
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2025, 09:57:36 PM »
pretty sure every team is playing with a backup or two in January

similar to FSU last season
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2025, 09:58:25 PM »
FSU sucked without Travis.  You're agreeing with me.  So just agree with me.
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2025, 10:01:26 PM »
Georgia lost two games this season with their starter.  They may or may not be the best team in the country but they were hardly invincible with their starting QB.  There's no reason to believe they wouldn't have lost another game in the playoff with that starter.

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2025, 10:02:00 PM »
you didn't want FSU in the 4 team playoff w/o their QB last season
Georgia isn't in the final 4 this year

we agree again
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2025, 02:45:26 AM »
The committee had them in and gave them 2 games to show they were still elite.....they weren't.

Georgia did lose twice.....and Oregon was undefeated.  Yet here we are.  
Ask Texas how good Georgia is.  
OSU has 2 losses and everyone is crowning them the NC.

In a year where the top 4 seeds all lost, maybe ranking teams by number of losses will now be viewed as childish.  Oregon had a big, round zero in the loss column....didn't seem to matter.  

Maybe Herbstreit wasn't so silly after all....especially if you listen to the very next sentence after the widely-shared quote of 'absurdity.'
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2025, 06:29:56 AM »
Clearly, the "best team" has a relatively small shot at winning the NC.  Most of the CFP teams are very good, if not elite, and can win, or lose, against most of the others on a given day.  All it takes is a tipped pass, a missed penalty, turnovers, some unpredictable play in a close game to decide it.

Playoffs are not meant to determine the "best team".  "We" call the winner "national champion" out of historical tradition.  Is there any other kind?

There is no practcable way to determine who is the "best team".  I guess we could have "experts" vote on it.
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2025, 07:44:10 AM »
bitter drunken sportswriters?
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2025, 08:08:37 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 07, 2025, 07:44:10 AM
bitter drunken sportswriters?
Ed Zackery in particular would be my choice.
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