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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2023, 11:52:41 AM »
I don't think ND will get cut out completely, too much $$$ involved

but, I do think they will be forced to join the Big or the SEC or make one more power conference out of the ACC and a few others

We're mostly all guessing the B1G
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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2023, 11:54:06 AM »
If they joined the SEC ...
well certainly


if that happens the Irish will be forced to join the B1G
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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2023, 12:22:53 PM »
The B1G with ND is worth more.

ND alone is now worth enough to make that dubious for them.

Make it clear cut for them.

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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2023, 12:31:35 PM »
yup, I'm really not sure what is taking so long
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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2023, 04:54:58 PM »
Stubborness - on both sides,The BIG left them at the alter years a go and ND returned the favor when offered an olive branch
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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2023, 04:57:06 PM »
I think it's taking long simply because of $$$.  My notion is to make that equation more painful for them, and the option more palatable.

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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2023, 09:50:47 PM »
As long as the decision-makers allow ND to be special when it comes to a playoff route, they have no reason to join a conference.  
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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2023, 10:43:24 PM »
The playoff does offer inducement to be in a conference 

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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2023, 12:24:17 AM »
The playoff does offer inducement to be in a conference
I don't think the playoff inducement for conference champions is enough to induce Notre Dame, or other independents, to abandon independence from conferences. Big Ten team media rights jump to $100M per team in 2026. Notre Dame was seeking $75M per year on their deal. But that is for 7-games. As I peruse internet articles, I see several saying Notre Dame will maintain its independence in football if it gets $75M per year on its next deal. However, many of the articles I read say it is likely Notre Dame will get $60M per year from its next television contract starting in 2026. 
I could be misunderstanding the financial aspects of what I reviewed, but if Notre Dame thinks a gap of $25M is acceptable to remain independent for media rights, they have an enormous revenue stream elsewhere. Indeed, their football ticket prices are ginormous, and they have heavyweight contributions to athletics. That said, it is not good business to give up $25M so your school can play Stanford, Florida State, Clemson, and Georgia Tech rather than Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Iowa. Just my personal opinion. 

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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2023, 01:29:28 AM »
yup and a gap of $25M will only go to $50M some day

why wait
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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2023, 07:43:31 AM »
None of us know what size gap would induce ND to jump, I'm merely pondering how to increase said size by a fair amount.

At some point, they'd jump, or become an afterthought.

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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2023, 08:20:06 AM »
Screw you Notre Dame we need more content for the shareholders. Get with the program or GTFO

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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2023, 09:16:23 AM »
perhaps it's the networks NBC

they see a value bargain with the ND contract
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Re: Notre Dame and Conferences
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2023, 09:30:55 AM »
None of us know what size gap would induce ND to jump, I'm merely pondering how to increase said size by a fair amount.

At some point, they'd jump, or become an afterthought.
A few thoughts:
First, it appears that stubbornness is a major reason that Notre Dame is not already in the B1G. That being the case, I think that trying to force their hand by refusing to play them would backfire because it would (quite reasonably and fairly) tick them off which would only harden their stance and lead to them digging in even more.

Second, I honestly don't think that they are a good long-term addition. They are presently a super-helmet no doubt about it. In the long-term, however, I see them as a diminishing brand for two reasons:
  • Religious identification is a consistently declining part of how Americans see themselves. As such, I see their long-term fanbase shrinking as there are less and less people for whom being catholic is central to their self-identity.
  • IMHO, a big part of the LARGE Notre Dame anti-fan group is specifically because they are NOT in a league and appear to be treated as different/special*. This disappears the instant that they join a league.

WRT Notre Dame being treated as different/special:
I attended the tOSU/Miami BCSCG back in 2003 (2002 season). In the stadium prior to the game they ran a BCS promo video on the jumbotrons. The video included a little snippet on each of the then BCS leagues.  As each BCS league was listed the video showed footage relating to that league. Then, after listing all six BCS leagues came "and Notre Dame" while footage of the golden dome ran. EVERYONE in the stadium booed. Even today, 20+ years later probably the only thing from that game that tOSU and Miami fans would readily agree upon is that Notre Dame shouldn't have been treated (within the video) as the equivalent to a league.

I've never liked Notre Dame but my intense distaste for them sprang from that moment. Treat ND as equivalent to my school, ok fine. Treat ND as equivalent to my school plus Michigan plus Penn State plus Wisconsin plus etc, NO.


 

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