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Topic: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #224 on: September 01, 2022, 10:23:05 AM »
Quote from: ELA on August 31, 2022, 11:43:12 AM
Right, that since he wasn't calling the plays, he felt the itch to DO something, so he called the onside kick
I heard a theory that it might have been an alignment thing instead of a pure call.

I.e., The way in Northwestern set its front line is vulnerable sometimes, and the kicker/kick team was just supposed to go for it if they saw that
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #225 on: September 01, 2022, 10:25:08 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 31, 2022, 08:35:48 PM
The on sides kick is so improbable though. There's a reason that it's only done in emergencies. It's not the same thing as going for it on 4th and 1 in order to be aggressive and set the tone for the rest of the game. It's just stupid. It has less than a 25% success rate, according to a quick google search.
This isn’t an argument for it, but worth remembering that the statistics aren’t all that valuable because something like 90% of onside kicks are expected, with eight or nine guys playing up.

So the math is a little different with four guys on the front. Granted, it’s also trying to get a football to bounce in the way that you want it to, which might as well be herding cats
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #226 on: September 01, 2022, 11:33:37 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 31, 2022, 11:19:33 PM
How do you rank the 2000s Nebraska regimes on sheer entertainment value? Pelini was the undisputed champion in my book, but Frost may have officially passed him. It's kind of amazing to watch it all unfold in real time.

Pelini was the undisputed champion in my book, Frost has no chance to catch him
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #227 on: September 01, 2022, 11:49:46 AM »
The Golden era with Pelini as head coach and his brother Carl at DC.  2 angry Pelinis river dancing down the sideline against A&M in 2010.
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #228 on: September 01, 2022, 12:01:23 PM »
from the official website...........

HUSKERS UNABLE TO OVERCOME FLAGS, AGGIES
Texas A&M managed one more field goal than penalty-plagued Nebraska could muster as the Huskers lost 9-6 in a defensive battle marked by several controversial moments.

After a 3-3 first half and a scoreless third quarter, Randy Bullock gave the Aggies their first lead with a 28-yard field goal with 14:33 left in the game. Alex Henery tied the score at 6-6 with a 29-yard boot with 8:31 remaining.

However, the Aggies answered with a 19-yard Bullock field goal with 3:02 left. Texas A&M’s winning drive was extended by a roughing-the-passer penalty on Husker safety Courtney Osborne on third-and-11. Instead of 4th-and-11 at the NU 49, A&M had a 1st-and-10 at the NU 34. Cyrus Gray covered 32 yards on five consecutive runs for the Aggies to set up the winning field goal.

Osborne’s penalty was the 15th of a school-record 16 called against the Huskers.


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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #229 on: September 01, 2022, 01:41:24 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 01, 2022, 10:23:05 AM
I heard a theory that it might have been an alignment thing instead of a pure call.

I.e., The way in Northwestern set its front line is vulnerable sometimes, and the kicker/kick team was just supposed to go for it if they saw that
Then that's still on the staff, for not putting parameters out there.  I remember Michigan's punter did that once on like 4th and long from deep in his own territory, and RR deflected all blame, saying the kid saw a look and went for it.  That's when you knew for sure he was basically done
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #230 on: September 01, 2022, 02:03:43 PM »
I don't think the kicker made the call on the field

should look back at the replay to see if there's a hand signal or something

you'd have to let the guys on either side of the kicker know somehow

I think it was Frost's call on the sideline before sending the kick team onto the field
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #231 on: September 01, 2022, 03:56:59 PM »
“I made the (onside) call,” Frost said, via Nebraska On3’s Steven Sipple. “So it’s on me. I thought if we got it, we could end the game.”
Frost was also asked if he’d make the same call again, and he had a blunt response.
“If I had it over,” he said, “I wouldn’t make the call.”
Nebraska got out to a red-hot start in the first half behind new quarterback Casey Thompson in new offensive coordinator Mark Whipple’s system. The Texas transfer led the Cornhuskers on an impressive opening drive which culminated with a touchdown pass to Isaiah Garcia-Castaneda. Then, Thompson ran a quarterback sneak into the end zone to make it 14-3 Nebraska.
In fact, Thompson showed off some of his playmaking ability in the third quarter when he extended a play before finding Garcia-Castaneda for a first down.
One of Nebraska’s biggest pieces ended up missing most of the second half, though. Tight end Travis Vokolek went down with an injury in the third quarter and didn’t return to the field, which was quite a blow to the Cornhuskers offense. He had three catches for 40 yards when he exited the game.
Now, Frost drops to 5-21 in one-score games since taking over at Nebraska in 2018 — the worst mark in FBS. Next up for the Cornhuskers is matchup with North Dakota back home in Lincoln on Sept. 3.


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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #232 on: September 01, 2022, 04:59:46 PM »
of course, if the Huskers DO recover the onside kick and score to go up 18 and win the game by any margin, Frost looks like a genius and has solved all his issues
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #233 on: September 01, 2022, 06:55:15 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 01, 2022, 04:59:46 PM
if the Huskers DO recover the onside kick and score to go up 18 and win the game by any margin, Frost looks like a genius and has solved all his issues
Agreed.

However, if Nebraska's defense is as weak as it showed against Northwestern an onside kick should be discouraged in that circumstance.

I suspect that the odds of recovering an onside kick are higher when it is completely unexpected than it is in the last 2-minutes of a game when it is expected. According to the NFL, the odds of recovering an onside kick are very low:

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]The all-time recovery rate on onside kicks is 13.2%, [/color]according to NFL Operations[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]. But that number has dropped to around 10% since 2018 because of new kicking rules. NFL rule changes: The NFL is reportedly going to keep the onside kick (usatoday.com)
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #234 on: September 01, 2022, 07:14:58 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on September 01, 2022, 06:55:15 PM
Agreed.

However, if Nebraska's defense is as weak as it showed against Northwestern an onside kick should be discouraged in that circumstance.

there's no reason to think the Cats don't go 75 yards for the same TD if the ball is kicked deep
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #235 on: September 01, 2022, 10:14:44 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 01, 2022, 10:25:08 AM
This isn’t an argument for it, but worth remembering that the statistics aren’t all that valuable because something like 90% of onside kicks are expected, with eight or nine guys playing up.

So the math is a little different with four guys on the front. Granted, it’s also trying to get a football to bounce in the way that you want it to, which might as well be herding cats
My research says onside kicks are recovered just under 16% of the time WHEN THEY'RE EXPECTED. 
Unexpected?
42%
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But that's not the point.
Whether it was a good call or not, if there is one coach in the country in that game situation that absolutely CANNOT make that call, it's Frost. 
But he did it.  
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #236 on: September 01, 2022, 10:27:19 PM »

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #237 on: September 02, 2022, 08:33:12 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 01, 2022, 07:14:58 PM
there's no reason to think the Cats don't go 75 yards for the same TD if the ball is kicked deep
I get this point, but the "odds" since we're talking percentages are lower from the 25 obviously.  Mistakes get made.  And your offense would be resting (so would their defense).
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