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medinabuckeye1

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #112 on: February 02, 2024, 12:34:55 PM »
The $8 billion tv deals are there because of football.

But also so is the fact that the gymnastics team has to fly to Eugene on a random Tuesday night in February
I've been wondering for a while if there would eventually be a "correction" on this.  You used Oregon as the example, but does it even make sense for say the tOSU and MSU gymnastics teams to play each other?  There is no TV money and the gate (if there is any) is trivial at best so wouldn't it be cheaper for tOSU to play OhioU and MSU to play WMU rather than shipping OhioU's team from Athens to Kalamazoo and Michigan State's team from East Lansing to Columbus?  
  • MSU-->WMU = 80mi
  • OU-->tOSU = 82mi
  • tOSU-->MSU = 249mi
  • WMU-->OU = 351mi

So OU/WMU and tOSU/MSU playing each other involves a combined total of 400mi travel each way where OU/tOSU and WMU/MSU is only 162.  

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #113 on: February 02, 2024, 12:50:14 PM »
I mean if the only point of gymnastics is making/saving money, just cut the program.  At least the conferences were generally geographic.

The weird one to me is basketball.  If you go back and look at schedules from the 80s, team played all of their buy games against regional opponents.  And the small schools played the other small schools around them.

Seems like there is a ton of unnecessary travel in basketball OOC games now.  MSU didn't play a single MAC team this year

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #114 on: February 02, 2024, 01:16:14 PM »

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #115 on: February 02, 2024, 01:38:39 PM »
Step 1


https://twitter.com/bigten/status/1753470893689311246?s=20

they are going to swallow up FSU, ND, and the few remaining trophy brands that are left and then breakaway and forum a super league. these are the seeds being planted before our eyes right now. and once they do so, the tv money will be even more ludicrous than it is right now. could be looking at $20+ billion tv deal. 20 billion reasons to do so...that's a lotta reasons to do something.

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #117 on: February 02, 2024, 01:58:28 PM »

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #118 on: February 02, 2024, 02:02:03 PM »
The biggest problem is that this has been a slow trickle of change for 20+ years, so now we have issues, that wouldn't be issues if we had just overhauled it at once, and instead have Frankenstein's monster of various changes and "solutions" that have been implimented individually

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #119 on: February 02, 2024, 02:29:29 PM »
I mean if the only point of gymnastics is making/saving money, just cut the program.  At least the conferences were generally geographic.

The weird one to me is basketball.  If you go back and look at schedules from the 80s, team played all of their buy games against regional opponents.  And the small schools played the other small schools around them.

Seems like there is a ton of unnecessary travel in basketball OOC games now.  MSU didn't play a single MAC team this year
I hear you on gymnastics but I'm not trying to cut everything just limit unnecessary expenditures.  I kinda think that the new expanded B1G will eventually try to at least manage schedules in such a way that say MSU and tOSU play each other a lot more in non-revenue sports than either of them play the PACNW or LA schools.  This is one reason that I think we will eventually end up with some form of pods*.  

As far as BB OOC scheduling, Ohio State did the same stupid thing with their OOC Basketball scheduling.  They had a home game with aTm which is 1/2 of a H&H (we go there next year), a bunch of neutral site games, a home "multi-team-event" game against WMU, and the rest were these:
  • Oakland (Michigan)
  • Merrimack (Massachusetts)
  • Central Michigan
  • Miami, Ohio
  • New Orleans

At least Ohio State played two MAC schools and one was from Ohio.  Why bother bringing in schools from Massachusetts and Louisiana when you could have just played two more Ohio Schools.  An additional benefit would be that the local schools would probably send more fans.  I can't imagine that a lot of Merrimack alums/fans made the 776mi drive (or more likely flight from Boston to Columbus) from North Andover, Massachusetts to Columbus to watch Ohio State's crappy team slaughter their even crappier team by 24 points.  Listed attendance for that game was 7,929.  I would guess that attendance would have been MUCH better for a game against any of the multitude of Ohio Schools.  

Pods:
My thinking here is that we are going to end up with either 20 or 24 schools.  I'm not sure what we'd do if we ended up with a number that was NOT a multiple of four.  Assuming 20 or 24 then I'm thinking four pods of five or six each.  The Pods would be at least generally geographic.  In revenue sports FB and BB you'd set up your schedule to maximize ratings/money.  In non-revenue sports you'd set up your schedules to lean heavily toward intra rather than inter pod games to keep costs down and facilitate fan travel.  

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #120 on: February 02, 2024, 03:26:05 PM »
Step 1


https://twitter.com/bigten/status/1753470893689311246?s=20


Agree.  That sure smells like step 1 on the road to breaking away from the NCAA completely.  

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #121 on: February 02, 2024, 05:29:44 PM »

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #122 on: February 02, 2024, 05:31:02 PM »

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #123 on: February 02, 2024, 05:48:53 PM »
"Let us endeavor so to live - that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2024, 07:31:03 PM »
I'm on the advisory group.

I heard FSU and ND to the B1G and UNC/UVA to the SEC.  But that's just from my cousin Ray-Ray....
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2024, 07:41:09 PM »
I'm hoping that these mega-conferences wind up going back on the whole footprint thing and simply incorporate the best programs (which it looks like they are).

I want the B1G to add Pitt so that they can play Penn State every year.  That used to be a big rivalry.  Texas is now back in the fold with A&M, thanks to the SEC's bloat.

Maybe OU and Nebraska can be each other's annual OOC rival.  I hope things shake out that maybe ND-Miami becomes an annual thing.  
We'll see.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

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