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Topic: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)

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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #28 on: Today at 05:33:13 PM »
Why might one consider the NFL careers in judging COLLEGE athletes?

Well, one obvious reason is the college playing field is not level, or at least, a lot less level than the NFL.  A QB might put up ridiculous stats at say Hawaii because of "System" and then do zip in the League.  Others might have played in a run oriented offense in college and then later shined.

Is that fair?  Who cares?  When the criteria are laid out to list one's OPINIONS about whatever, one is thus free to use whatever metrics one wishes.  Otherwise, one can just list quantifiables, the QBs with the most passing yards career and be done with it.
Okay, I guess since I've continued my education and teach reading, I can retroactively win my 3rd-grade spelling bee, because if we did it now, I'd kick everyone else's ass.  

You're a clown.  And sometimes, it's not even on purpose.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #29 on: Today at 05:52:25 PM »
Edge rusher is almost a seperate catagory from DE.


Edit if you are including LBs then I'd move out Beasely and include Terrell Suggs in the final 4
The term EDGE is a recent one that includes both rush ends and outside LBs who tend to rush the QB.  Sure, a strong-side DE is going to be tasked with holding up strong against the run, dealing with a tackle and often a TE to hold the edge.  But the backside DE is usually an ears-pinned-back rusher getting around the tackle, most often on the QB's blind side.

Here, let me make a visual really quickly:


Edges are the guys tasked with pressuring the QB (in red).
Your strong-side end in the 4-3 is your 270 lb guy who can man up against that run blocking.  Your back-side end is your 245 lb guy coming like a bat out of hell, chasing down the QB.
In the 3-4, your ends are 280 lb and more like a 4-3 DT, all 3 linemen holding up against the run, since there's only 3 of them.  They're freeing up the LBs to either make tackles or, like the outside LBs, get to the QB.  

I made the Will (weakside LB) in the 4-3 purple, because unless they're getting a slot WR to cover inside the hashmarks, they're often freed up to rush the passer and tend to get a lot of sacks, almost by chance.  If that DT in front of him is good, there's just a red carpet rolled out there, splitting the G and T for him to get up through there.  
And I could have made the strong-side DE purple in the 4-3, if the offense isn't using a TE much or the TE is a real pass-catching threat and not much of a blocker.

In football video games, they'll label a recruit or draftee either balanced, run-stuffer, or pass-rusher, based on his size and skill set.  EDGE is the pass-rusher.  



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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #30 on: Today at 05:58:05 PM »
Okay, I guess since I've continued my education and teach reading, I can retroactively win my 3rd-grade spelling bee, because if we did it now, I'd kick everyone else's ass. 

You're a clown.  And sometimes, it's not even on purpose.
Name calling here should be avoided.  

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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #31 on: Today at 05:59:12 PM »
Name calling here should be avoided. 
Being a clown should be avoided as well.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #32 on: Today at 06:12:43 PM »
Okay, I guess since I've continued my education and teach reading, I can retroactively win my 3rd-grade spelling bee, because if we did it now, I'd kick everyone else's ass. 

You're a clown.  And sometimes, it's not even on purpose.
Lord, you can be pointlessly unpleasant.

I’m another note, I didn’t watch Javon Kearse as a college player, but remember him popping in the NFL and being game changing. And when I looked back, it seemed like people had a similar vibe in college, but you probably watched him more closely than I did. Was that the case?

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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #33 on: Today at 06:14:31 PM »
He can’t argue a point so he resorts to childish name calling.  It’s predictable. 

 

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