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Topic: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)

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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #14 on: Today at 01:48:50 PM »
Good call, I never heard of him.  

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« Reply #15 on: Today at 01:51:05 PM »
This guy is going on my Rushmore.


Elvis Dumervil was a dominant defensive end for the University of Louisville (2002–2005), highlighted by a stellar 2005 senior season where he led the nation with a school-record 20 sacks and 10 forced fumbles. He earned consensus All-American honors, the Bronko Nagurski Trophy, and the Ted Hendricks Award, finishing his career with 32 sacks and 42.5 tackles for loss
He's worthy for sure. Didn't really play the greatest competition but he did enough IMO.
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« Reply #16 on: Today at 01:51:28 PM »
That's who I was trying to remember(w/o AI or google) was that  in the NFL?
No, he did that at Bama.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #17 on: Today at 01:57:25 PM »
Good call, I never heard of him. 

Pretty nice NFL career as well.



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« Reply #18 on: Today at 02:00:02 PM »
That's important too ...

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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #19 on: Today at 02:01:10 PM »
One interesting related list is simple the top overlooked great players in CFB, guys you never heard of but who were great (by whatever metric).  This would need to have recency bias I think.


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« Reply #20 on: Today at 02:04:53 PM »
well, if you didn't play for a blueblood or on a winning team
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« Reply #21 on: Today at 02:48:51 PM »
Tom Burke still holds the record for most sacks in a season (22, 1998, 11 games) plus two more in the Rose Bowl (which the NCAA doesn't count like the dumbasses they are).

24 sacks, 12 games.

Terrell Suggs had 24 in 13 games.

Derrick Thomas had 27 in 12 games.

I was going to mention Thomas. He feels like one that was almost mythological. 

Too bad Burke had that incident a few years back.

Also too bad Watt's UW time was so short and not completely fleshed out. Like he was awesome, but a lot of it was effecting the game in more subtle ways as much as posting good, not crazy stats. 

When I was in school, I stood next to Watt at one point early on. I thought "I don't know if this guy is an NFL defensive end, but I'm pretty sure this this is what an NFL defensive end should look like." I'd stood next to Joe Thomas at one point, and Watt seemed notably more imposing.

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« Reply #22 on: Today at 03:24:21 PM »
Why might one consider the NFL careers in judging COLLEGE athletes?

Well, one obvious reason is the college playing field is not level, or at least, a lot less level than the NFL.  A QB might put up ridiculous stats at say Hawaii because of "System" and then do zip in the League.  Others might have played in a run oriented offense in college and then later shined.

Is that fair?  Who cares?  When the criteria are laid out to list one's OPINIONS about whatever, one is thus free to use whatever metrics one wishes.  Otherwise, one can just list quantifiables, the QBs with the most passing yards career and be done with it.
IMHO you shouldn't bump up a middling college career based on a stellar NFL career. But a stellar NFL career can be used as validation that a player was truly that good when you have a player that all the stats and eye test say "yes" but perhaps they played against weaker competition or on a poor team. 

For QB, look at guys like Drew Brees or Patrick Mahomes. These were guys that played in pass-happy offenses and could rack up tons of stats. But sometimes you don't know whether they were successful because they were a "system QB" like say Colt Brennan under June Jones, or whether they were the real deal. Knowing that they could produce at the next level validates that what you saw at the college level was true. 

On the opposite end, Tom Brady wasn't exactly a Michigan great. I mean, he was probably "great", but not Mt Rushmore inclusion great. He didn't consistently even own the starting role, splitting some with Drew Henson. He had a strong team around him that didn't require him to be the hero. His college career was good, but it wasn't good enough to get him drafted anywhere better than the 6th round. You can't put him on a college football Mt Rushmore just because he did great in the NFL. 

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« Reply #23 on: Today at 03:25:01 PM »
I was going to mention Thomas. He feels like one that was almost mythological.

Too bad Burke had that incident a few years back.

Also too bad Watt's UW time was so short and not completely fleshed out. Like he was awesome, but a lot of it was effecting the game in more subtle ways as much as posting good, not crazy stats.

When I was in school, I stood next to Watt at one point early on. I thought "I don't know if this guy is an NFL defensive end, but I'm pretty sure this this is what an NFL defensive end should look like." I'd stood next to Joe Thomas at one point, and Watt seemed notably more imposing.
He was found not guilty.
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« Reply #24 on: Today at 03:46:23 PM »
He was found not guilty.
I’m aware, but still unfortunate. And from what I remember reading, When the news came out a few people who interacted with him were basically like “yeah that guy was a little off.“

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« Reply #25 on: Today at 03:48:49 PM »
I think he's getting himself to a better spot.
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« Reply #26 on: Today at 05:20:33 PM »
Why might one consider the NFL careers in judging COLLEGE athletes?

Well, one obvious reason is the college playing field is not level, or at least, a lot less level than the NFL.  A QB might put up ridiculous stats at say Hawaii because of "System" and then do zip in the League.  Others might have played in a run oriented offense in college and then later shined.

Is that fair?  Who cares?  When the criteria are laid out to list one's OPINIONS about whatever, one is thus free to use whatever metrics one wishes.  Otherwise, one can just list quantifiables, the QBs with the most passing yards career and be done with it.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #27 on: Today at 05:31:17 PM »
Bubba Smith, Michigan State
Derrick Thomas, Alabama
Hugh Green, Pitt
Terrell Suggs, Arizona State
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