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Topic: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?

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Cincydawg

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2017, 08:42:27 AM »
SUMMARY


TEAM                        OVER RANKED                  UNDER RANKED


CD                             Washington                         NCSU
Fearless                        Texas                                Tenn
LittlePig                        Michigan                          Florida                      
DevilFrog                     Clemson                           Stanford


Temp430                      Michigan                            LSU
CatsbyAZ                         FSU                             Miami
Badger                             USC                           Nebraska
RTF                              Clemson                         Florida


Medina                          Michigan                        Wazzu
Beenthere                    Clemson                          Miami
Typhon                        Clemson                           BSU
Ala2268                       Michigan                        UCLA


Bamajoe                        PSU                               UGA
ELA                               LSU                              Colorado
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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2017, 10:23:21 AM »
Four votes for Clemson and two for Michigan in over ranked.  More disparity in the under ranked part, which makes sense.


Miami is the only one with two votes. 


This is rather interesting to me.


Please add more votes for folks who have not weighed in yet (or folks who want to vote often).

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2017, 10:02:38 PM »
Texas over ranked


Tennessee under ranked

I think youre right

Just hope we have a winning season
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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2017, 10:32:32 PM »
Four votes for Clemson and two for Michigan in over ranked.  More disparity in the under ranked part, which makes sense.


Miami is the only one with two votes. 


This is rather interesting to me.


Please add more votes for folks who have not weighed in yet (or folks who want to vote often).

I think Watson was a very special player, and will be impossible to replace. I'm also not sure they can reload on defense the way OSU or 'bama do.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2017, 07:18:16 AM »
Clemson has a lot of guys back on defense.  Losing Watson is akin to losing Vince Young IMHO, that one player who decides games.  I figure them for a 9-3 kind of regular season.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2017, 08:15:29 AM »
Michigan-over. Going 8-4. Lose to Florida, at PSU, at Wisconsin, and tOSU.

UCLA-under. Going 8-4. Lose at Stanford, Oregon, at Washington, and at USC.
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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2017, 08:34:42 AM »
You can chose a team that is only receiving votes.  We can easily calculate their apparent ranking.


Obviously, a team ranked 30 that ends up say 10-3 would have been very under ranked and you'd have chosen wisely.  I think I chose a team out of the top 25 myself.  I forget now.

If that were not the case, I would be picking Kentucky as under ranked.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2017, 08:47:39 AM »
Could we do all NRV teams as one below the last team with a vote?  But they might be artificially bumped even lower by a bunch of teams with 1 vote, that by even finishing the year with like 3 votes, they would have jumped up 10 spots.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2017, 09:18:41 AM »
I think Watson was a very special player, and will be impossible to replace. I'm also not sure they can reload on defense the way OSU or 'bama do.

agreed. i think they'll end up in the 15-20 range. a good team, but not top 5.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2017, 09:30:22 AM »
I think Watson was a very special player, and will be impossible to replace. I'm also not sure they can reload on defense the way OSU or 'bama do.

Clemson is not exactly reloading on defense. Return 7 starters. In his Unit Rankings, Phil Steele has their DL #1, LB #12, and DB #15.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2017, 09:57:05 AM »
I think Watson was a very special player, and will be impossible to replace. I'm also not sure they can reload on defense the way OSU or 'bama do.

Clemson had the top defense in 2014 per Football Outsiders' play-by-play metric.
They lost six of their top seven linemen, their top two linebacker and two of their three most productive defensive backs. They finished sixth in 2015.
Going into 2016, they lost their top two pass rushers who combined for 24.5 sacks, two of their top three linebackers and three of the top four in the secondary. They finished sixth.

They go into 2017 losing four notable starters in an emotional leader and overachieving linebacker, a very good veteran corner, a top-flight tackle and solid one-year starter at safety. They return seven defensive starters, with nine four- of five star defensive linemen, six linebackers, and six defensive backs available and one of the best DCs in the country (led by a tackle who I describe as "if Gary lived up to the hype").

It's CFB, so that guarantees little, but it's reasonable to say they reload like anyone's business on that side of the ball.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2017, 09:58:34 AM »
We all agree we have no coherent idea of what the rankings are supposed to mean, so I remain confused what constitutes an under or over rank. It's all a din of conjecture and guessing.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2017, 10:02:51 AM »
Clemson is not exactly reloading on defense. Return 7 starters. In his Unit Rankings, Phil Steele has their DL #1, LB #12, and DB #15.

My bad. This article Mixed bag for Clemson: 8 starters return on offense; 8 lost on defense I made an assumption that it was 8 starters, not 8 scrubs.

ESPN also notes How do you replace a legend? Clemson's about to try claiming only 1 team in the top 10 has controversy at the QB spot.

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Re: Most under and over ranked team in the preseason poll?
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2017, 12:29:26 PM »
In the extant case, I'll be just comparing preseason rankings with final rankings in this poll to see which team changed the most, up or down, and whether any of us guessed at it.


Let's say I'm right and NCSU at #33 ends up 9-4 and ranked say #12.  That is a +21 jump.  I think.


Let's say Clemson starts at #8 or wherever they are and ends up 8-5 and #27.  That's a -19 jump.




 

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