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medinabuckeye1

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Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« on: June 21, 2018, 04:30:28 PM »
In my earlier post @847badgerfan pointed out that former conference rivals of newer B1G teams aren't really "OOC" and @Brutus Buckeye pointed out that Stassen's site does not include games when the queried team was not considered "upper division".  

This list is non-B1G opponents played in the post-war era (1946-present).  I've also decided to add the last year that each was played for reference.  So, again going E->W, here is the list:
Rutgers:
  • 39 games, Colgate, 1993
  • 36 games, Temple, 2013
  • tie 36 games, Syracuse, 2012
  • 34 games, Army, 2015
  • tie 34 games, Princeton, 1980
  • 32 games, WVU, 2011
  • 31 games, UCONN, 2013
  • 30 games, Lehigh, 1977
  • tie 30 games, Lafayette, 1975
  • tie 30 games, Pittsburgh, 2012
Maryland:
  • 64 games, NCST, 2013
  • 62 games, Clemson, 2013
  • 59 games, Wake, 2013
  • 57 games, UVA, 2013
  • tie 57 games, UNC, 2012
  • 48 games, WVU, 2015
  • 46 games, DOOK, 2010
  • 29 games, Syracuse, 2014
  • 24 games, FSU, 2013
  • 23 games, USCe, 1971
Penn State:
  • 53 games, Pittsburgh, 2017
  • 48 games, Syracuse, 2013
  • 46 games, WVU, 1992
  • 38 games, Temple, 2016
  • 24 games, Boston College, 2014
  • 23 games, Army, 2015
  • 16 games, Navy, 2012
  • 15 games, NCST, 1982
  • tie 15 games, Bama, 2011
  • tie 15 games, Notre Dame, 2007
Ohio State:
  • 20 games, USC, 2017 (note for @ELA : Eight of the 20 were bowl games in the Rose (7) and Cotton Bowls)
  • 15 games, Pittsburgh, 1996 (one FiestaBowl)
  • 11 games, Washington, 2007 (oddly, no bowls)
  • 9 games, Oregon, 2014 (two RoseBowls, one CFP Championship)
  • tie 9 games, Southern Methodist, 1978
  • tie 9 games, UCLA, 2001 (one RoseBowl, a COSTLY loss after having defeated them in California earlier that season)
  • 8 games, Washington State, 2002 (no bowls but one off-campus game in Seattle)
  • 7 games, Mizzou, 1998
  • tie 7 games, California, 2013 (one RoseBowl)
  • 5 games, Colorado, BGSU, Stanford, TCU, MiamiFL, Cincy, Cuse)
Michigan:
  • 31 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 13 games, Navy, 1981
  • 12 games, Washington, 2002
  • 11 games, UCLA, 2000
  • 10 games, USC, 2006
  • 9 games, Stanford, 1976
  • 8 games, Army, 1962
  • 7 games, Cal, 1980
  • 6 games, DOOK, 1978
  • 5 games, Oregon, Colorado, MiamiOH, EMU, OrSU
Michigan State:
  • 64 games, Notre Dame, 2017
  • 10 games, Marquette, 1955
  • tie 10 games, CMU, 2015
  • tie 10 games, WMU, 2017
  • 8 games, USC, 1990
  • 7 games, EMU, 2014
  • tie 7 games, Washington State, 2017
  • tie 7 games, Oregon State, 1971
  • 6 games, Oregon, UCLA, Stanford, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Indiana:
  • 29 games, Kentucky, 2005
  • 12 games, Mizzou, 2014
  • 9 games, Notre Dame, 1991
  • 8 games, Ball State, 2016
  • 7 games, Miami OH, 1996
  • tie 7 games, Cincinnati, 2000
  • 6 games, Marquette, 1960
  • tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 1952
  • 5 games, IndianaSt, WVU, WMU
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2018, 04:49:04 PM »
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:
Purdue:
  • 69 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 12 games, MiamiOH, 2006
  • 10 games, Washington, 2002
  • 8 games, Ball State, 2010
  • 6 games, Toledo, 2010
  • tie 6 games, MiamiFL, 1984
  • tie 6 games, Ohio, 2017
  • tie 6 games, CMU, 2014
  • 5 games, Mizzou, Wake, UCLA, Pitt
Northwestern:
  • 23 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 19 games, DOOK, 2017
  • 10 games, Syracuse, 2013
  • 9 games, MiamiOH, 2009
  • 8 games, No. Illinois, 2014
  • 7 games, Rice, 2011
  • tie 7 games, Pittsburgh, 2016
  • 6 games, Air Force, 2003
  • 5 games, BC, Mizzou, Army, IowaSt, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Illinois:
  • 22 games, Missouri, 2010
  • 12 games, UCLA, 2011
  • 11 games, Washington, 2014
  • 10 games, Stanford, 1984
  • tie 10 games, California, 2005
  • tie 10 games, Syracuse, 2007
  • 9 games, USC, 2007
  • 7 games, Washington State, 1998
  • 6 games, Western Michigan, 2016
  • 5 games, Louisville, Pitt
Wisconsin:
  • 15 games, Marquette, 1960
  • 13 games, No. Illinois, 2011
  • 10 games, UCLA, 2000
  • tie 10 games, UNLV, 2011
  • 7 games, USC, 2015
  • tie 7 games, Hawaii, 2015
  • 6 games, Colorado, 2002
  • tie 6 games, Stanford, 2012
  • tie 6 games, California, 1990
  • 5 games, Oregon, MiamiFL, SDSU, WMU
Iowa:
  • 41 games, Iowa State, 2017
  • 20 games, Notre Dame, 1968
  • 13 games, Arizona, 2010
  • 12 games, Oregon State, 1972
  • 9 games, No. Illinois, 2013
  • 8 games, USC, 2002
  • tie 8 games, UCLA, 1985
  • 6 games, No. Iowa, 2014
  • tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 2015
  • tie 6 games, Kansas State, 2000
Minnesota:
  • 13 games, Washington, 1977
  • 11 games, Ohio, 2015
  • 8 games, USC, 2011
  • tie 8 games, Pittsburgh, 1992
  • 6 games, Missouri, 2014
  • tie 6 games, Washington State, 2016
  • tie 6 games, California, 2009
  • 5 games, Kansas, Oregon State, Syracuse
Nebraska:
  • 65 games, Missouri, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Iowa State, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas State, 2010
  • 63 games, Colorado, 2010
  • 61 games, Oklahoma, 2010
  • 43 games, Oklahoma State, 2010
  • 13 games, UCLA, 2015
  • tie 13 games, aTm, 2010
  • tie 13 games, Texas, 2010
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2018, 02:09:38 AM »
I didn't do calculations, but I saw a lot of Notre Dame games.
Notre Dame was the most logical member for expansion. But in the past 20-years I would say Notre Dame was illogical.
Pitt is in there quite a lot too.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2018, 02:11:58 AM by Hawkinole »
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2018, 07:23:27 AM »
A lot of PAC-12.  Wash, UCLA, USC pop up on lots of lists.  Not really any SEC.

Interesting that Neb's list does not have any Big 12 teams that were not first in the Big 8.  I guess since Tex, TT,  A&M and Bay were in the Big 12 south and they only saw them 50% of the time in the Big 12.
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2018, 08:15:57 AM »
Clearly we should add Miami(OH)
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2018, 08:25:33 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on June 22, 2018, 07:23:27 AM
A lot of PAC-12.  Wash, UCLA, USC pop up on lots of lists.  Not really any SEC.

Interesting that Neb's list does not have any Big 12 teams that were not first in the Big 8.  I guess since Tex, TT,  A&M and Bay were in the Big 12 south and they only saw them 50% of the time in the Big 12.
Nebraska does have aTm on their list and Texas should be on there as well (my mistake, will fix).  
Nebraska's most frequent 1946-present opponents are:
  • The Five teams that were in both the Big8 and the Big12-N with them (Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, Colo, all 63-65 games)
  • The two teams that were in the Big8 and the Big12 with them but not in the Big12-N (OU-61, OkSU-43)
  • Three B1G teams that they frequently played prior to joining the B1G (MN-31, PSU-16, IA-14)
  • UCLA (not sure why-13)
The rest of their Big12 mates are:
  • aTm 13 games
  • Texas 13 games
  • Baylor 11 games
  • TTech 11 games
Nebraska's B1G-W mates are:
  • MN:  31 games
  • IA:  14 games
  • UW:  11 games
  • NU:  9 games
  • IL:  8 games
  • PU:  6 games
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2018, 08:33:39 AM »
They must have been playing CO regularly, before they joined the Big 6. 
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2018, 09:06:21 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:
Purdue:
  • 69 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 12 games, MiamiOH, 2006
  • 10 games, Washington, 2002
  • 8 games, Ball State, 2010
  • 6 games, Toledo, 2010
  • tie 6 games, MiamiFL, 1984
  • tie 6 games, Ohio, 2017
  • tie 6 games, CMU, 2014
  • 5 games, Mizzou, Wake, UCLA, Pitt
Northwestern:
  • 23 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 19 games, DOOK, 2017
  • 10 games, Syracuse, 2013
  • 9 games, MiamiOH, 2009
  • 8 games, No. Illinois, 2014
  • 7 games, Rice, 2011
  • tie 7 games, Pittsburgh, 2016
  • 6 games, Air Force, 2003
  • 5 games, BC, Mizzou, Army, IowaSt, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Illinois:
  • 22 games, Missouri, 2010
  • 12 games, UCLA, 2011
  • 11 games, Washington, 2014
  • 10 games, Stanford, 1984
  • tie 10 games, California, 2005
  • tie 10 games, Syracuse, 2007
  • 9 games, USC, 2007
  • 7 games, Washington State, 1998
  • 6 games, Western Michigan, 2016
  • 5 games, Louisville, Pitt
Wisconsin:
  • 15 games, Marquette, 1960
  • 13 games, No. Illinois, 2011
  • 10 games, UCLA, 2000
  • tie 10 games, UNLV, 2011
  • 7 games, USC, 2015
  • tie 7 games, Hawaii, 2015
  • 6 games, Colorado, 2002
  • tie 6 games, Stanford, 2012
  • tie 6 games, California, 1990
  • 5 games, Oregon, MiamiFL, SDSU, WMU
Iowa:
  • 41 games, Iowa State, 2017
  • 20 games, Notre Dame, 1968
  • 13 games, Arizona, 2010
  • 12 games, Oregon State, 1972
  • 9 games, No. Illinois, 2013
  • 8 games, USC, 2002
  • tie 8 games, UCLA, 1985
  • 6 games, No. Iowa, 2014
  • tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 2015
  • tie 6 games, Kansas State, 2000
Nebraska:
  • 65 games, Missouri, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Iowa State, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas State, 2010
  • 63 games, Colorado, 2010
  • 61 games, Oklahoma, 2010
  • 43 games, Oklahoma State, 2010
  • 13 games, UCLA, 2015
  • tie 13 games, aTm, 2010
  • 12 games, MiamiFL, 2015

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:
Purdue:
  • 69 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 12 games, MiamiOH, 2006
  • 10 games, Washington, 2002
  • 8 games, Ball State, 2010
  • 6 games, Toledo, 2010
  • tie 6 games, MiamiFL, 1984
  • tie 6 games, Ohio, 2017
  • tie 6 games, CMU, 2014
  • 5 games, Mizzou, Wake, UCLA, Pitt
Northwestern:
  • 23 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 19 games, DOOK, 2017
  • 10 games, Syracuse, 2013
  • 9 games, MiamiOH, 2009
  • 8 games, No. Illinois, 2014
  • 7 games, Rice, 2011
  • tie 7 games, Pittsburgh, 2016
  • 6 games, Air Force, 2003
  • 5 games, BC, Mizzou, Army, IowaSt, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Illinois:
  • 22 games, Missouri, 2010
  • 12 games, UCLA, 2011
  • 11 games, Washington, 2014
  • 10 games, Stanford, 1984
  • tie 10 games, California, 2005
  • tie 10 games, Syracuse, 2007
  • 9 games, USC, 2007
  • 7 games, Washington State, 1998
  • 6 games, Western Michigan, 2016
  • 5 games, Louisville, Pitt
Wisconsin:
  • 15 games, Marquette, 1960
  • 13 games, No. Illinois, 2011
  • 10 games, UCLA, 2000
  • tie 10 games, UNLV, 2011
  • 7 games, USC, 2015
  • tie 7 games, Hawaii, 2015
  • 6 games, Colorado, 2002
  • tie 6 games, Stanford, 2012
  • tie 6 games, California, 1990
  • 5 games, Oregon, MiamiFL, SDSU, WMU
Iowa:
  • 41 games, Iowa State, 2017
  • 20 games, Notre Dame, 1968
  • 13 games, Arizona, 2010
  • 12 games, Oregon State, 1972
  • 9 games, No. Illinois, 2013
  • 8 games, USC, 2002
  • tie 8 games, UCLA, 1985
  • 6 games, No. Iowa, 2014
  • tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 2015
  • tie 6 games, Kansas State, 2000
Nebraska:
  • 65 games, Missouri, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Iowa State, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas State, 2010
  • 63 games, Colorado, 2010
  • 61 games, Oklahoma, 2010
  • 43 games, Oklahoma State, 2010
  • 13 games, UCLA, 2015
  • tie 13 games, aTm, 2010
  • 12 games, MiamiFL, 2015

Interesting info any chance you can also show for Minnesota (they are part of the Big Ten West ) I know they have been down but they do have a very historical past and still should be included
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2018, 09:08:20 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 22, 2018, 08:15:57 AM
Clearly we should add Miami(OH)
We should add Minnesota. :)
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2018, 10:27:58 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
Maryland:
  • 64 games, NCST, 2013
  • 62 games, Clemson, 2013
  • 59 games, Wake, 2013
  • 57 games, UVA, 2013
  • tie 57 games, UNC, 2012
  • 48 games, WVU, 2015
  • 46 games, DOOK, 2010
  • 29 games, Syracuse, 2014
  • 24 games, FSU, 2013
  • 23 games, USCe, 1971
So if I'm reading this correctly, Maryland's true most frequent OOC opponents are WV (48) and Syracuse (29).  
Actually, now that I think about it --
The only teams that could exceed those two are current B1G teams.  Penn State is probably second on the true OOC list (since they've played Maryland at least 30 times and won at least 28 of them).  Of course, the games since 2014 don't count as OOC.  Okay, now I'm in over my head.
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2018, 11:12:36 AM »
I fixed the B1G-W portion of the OP to include Minnesota and correct my having missed Texas for Nebraska.  
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Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2018, 12:05:10 PM »
I realize that off-campus games are not very popular with this crowd but, IMHO, Illinois and Missouri should play every year in St. Louis.  

Illinois vs Missouri history:
  • Illinois won in St. Louis in 1896.  Then they didn't play for 17 years.  
  • Illinois won at home in 1913.  Then they didn't play for 36 years.  
  • Missouri won in Champaign in 1949.  Then they didn't play for almost 20 years.  
  • Missouri won in Champaign in 1966.  
  • Missouri won in Champaign in 1968.  
  • Missouri won in St. Louis in 1969.  Then they didn't play for five years.  
  • They played every year from 1975-1980 at alternating campus sites with Mizzou obtaining a 4-2 advantage.  
  • They played a H&H in 1983/1984 with the home team winning both.  
  • They played every year from 1991-1994 at alternating campus sites with the home team winning all four games.  
  • They played in St. Louis in 2002-03 and 2007-10 with Mizzou winning all six games.  

I most enjoy off-campus games when the off-campus site makes sense because it is between (and preferably roughly half-way between the two schools).  Examples are OU/Texas in Dallas and the WLOCP in Jacksonville.  
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2018, 12:24:44 PM »
While I am indeed jealous of schools that have fixed out of conference rivalries, OSU doesn't really have a "no-brainer" candidate. West Virginia would probably be the closest thing, but they should be playing Pitt every year. Pitt would be okay, but they should be playing Penn St and/or W Virginia. Notre Dame would be sweet obviously, but they have already been taken ten times over. Poaching that rivalry out of Michigan's back pocket would be satisfying, but highly unrealistic. Kentucky is Kentucky, so that one won't work obviously. Even though they are in the big bad SEC.  Cincinnati would be okay if they ever find their way back into a P5 Conference, which is unlikely. The rest of Buckeye Nation would hate it of course, but not me. 

I do find it aggravating that some schools have a perfect OOC candidate, but just don't schedule it for whatever reason. aTm-Texas, Nebraska-Oklahoma, etc. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2018, 12:29:36 PM »
Same goes for UW, BB. I can't think of a "natural" OOC for them.

Maybe Cal?

Berkeley vs. Berkeley-Midwest?

Or Washington?

UW vs. UW, for the right to be THE UW?


I'd be taking those road trips...
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